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ptw

i think those 3 lives would have to be very well explained to fit into the plot and not break immersion. you could alternatively toy around with the idea of successors, like allowing your character to produce offspring and then if one of these reaches teenagehood before you died you could continue to play as one of them, and perhaps giving you a brother off the bat so you get a second chance if your character dies too early

I dont see donations being able to bring in anywhere near as much money.

i can't change your mind here. i believe it wouldn't be the case, since pirating is so easy now i think we're already partly there, where whenever someone buys software they're already making a donation.

Ontop of that I am not sure where these investors would get the money to invest in projects if the end result is available free of charge.

these investors would be end users and organizations that make money off of distributing donations plus the sale of merchandising and physical goods like cd's, manuals, magazines, etc.

Games can cost millions,

bad games, often. good games are generally much cheaper, and those that are good and expensive aren't good because they were expensive. Nevertheless, i think millionaire productions would still exist.

and while it is possible to get this money through some means, it is much harder. If they were subsidised by the state, that could work. But you would still then be paying for the game (even if you dont want to play it).

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you'de be paying an amount adjusted to how much you can pay

Your idea to use games as part of a portfolio still suffers from the same problem, I am still relying on these organisations to approve my project and provide the money, rather than being able to request money from individuals who are interested in using my completed product.

these organizations would be varied and represent the interests of their investors, you could pitch to a few narrow organizations that cater to the specific niche you're targeting. if you can't convince them with a finished game you'd have a hard time selling it either. all they're interested in is to be able to boast to have financed a lot of quality games so they can attract more donors interested in more games being made

Advertisement funded games could work to some degree, but again rely on an external organisation to provide the funding. Also, What incentive does the advertisement company have to listen to polls and surverys?

a lot. polls and surveys help them decide on which games to invest based on public demand, and which type of adds are more appropriate for which type of game, but when i mentioned polls and surveys i was talking about "advertisement free" game sponsors that gather investors by promising to listen to input and forfeiting advertisement

But in the end, I don't see why a person shouldnt be able to request money for something they have spent time and effort to create in a way that suits them. If you think what they want is outrageous, you can just ignore them.

as i said, i think it is sad to deny someone access to culture or knowlege, or anything that isn't scarce.
another argument is that the current system awards good marketing instead of awarding good work, in my proposed system creators would be awarded based on the popularity and reviews of their work after people have played said work, instead of tricking people into buying a buggy and\or shitty game

so there's two of these...
i read both threads, though i didn't realise they were different 'till i noticed that my post wasn't on this one. it still aplies here, 'cuz it's really the same discussion, so i'm cross posting

i pirate freely and guiltlessly. i sometimes purchase stuff i can't pirate and often regret, my money is little and precious. i also sometimes purchase stuff i pirated and enjoyed, as a form of donation, and i've donated to toady and other free content creators recurrently.

i do want a system to be in place to incentive, sustain, and reward good creators, there is one in place right now that does it with disputable efficiency and it features copyright, but it's proving to be unenforceable and making legitimate customers' life harder, while barely hindering us pirates. i believe art, science, and entertainment should be free and subsidized by state run public institutions, private associations, and private donations; you fill out a proposal, request a set ammount of money for a set amount of time, and then send it out to these institutions along with your credentials\portfolio, or put it up on a kickstarter-like, and in the end your work becomes public domain and is rated by how much critics and laypeople appreciated it, giving you a better or worse chance to get further subsidies on future projects.
i don't like artificial scarcity. we should be offering up more stuff for free, it'd make for a better world

i'm quite poor by first world standards, though i recognise i've it better than a lot of people in this world, but i would have played a lot less games, seen a lot less movies, read a lot less books, and listened to a lot less music if i had to pay for all of it. I feel i am a better person for having had access to so much culture, and i feel it's very sad that people want to deny so many people something that is so abundant and so important.

maybe stuff that affects your luck, with hidden stats so you never know if it's working as intended

ptw

no, those only pseudo-rule us, because in reality they are being controlled by the reptilians