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Or you can go directly to the IRC page on the Wiki. They have a few pages there, although only two of the four are still active so far as I can tell.

There's a decent amount of chatter in these two though:

• #dwarffortress on irc.quakenet.org (webchat)
• #df on irc.synirc.net (webchat)

Too fast on the weekends... Activity is good though.

Mostly responses / comments, nothing particularly solid this time. Don't have any more time right now to look deeper.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on June 10, 2011, 07:34:04 pm

On that note, you seem rather focused on breadbocks. Why? And thoughts on any of the others?

I seem unable to keep a lot of stuff running parallel in my brain, so I'm sifting through it all one issue after another. You will get your turn as well, no worries.

The bigger problem was that you had just replaced in and had only minimal interactions to go on. That's been somewhat alleviated since.

Toaster looks less suspicious to me, since him claiming Kook right off the bat although he had done so previously seems like a rather dumb choice if he was scum. But it really is WIFOM as far as I can see.

The whole Kook claim has been a big thing over the past several rounds of Paranormal. Toaster claiming Kook is perfectly expected if he actually is a Kook and not something I'd put past him if he were a Dopp. Basically a null tell. At least it lets inspectors that would be fooled by a Kook know that they're probably better off going elsewhere for the time being.

Jokerman, who will be lynched, who will be nightkilled?

This feels like a leading question. There's no particular way to know the former unless you are trying to (and capable of) control the lynch and the latter only scum / Vigs know. What did/do you hope to gain by his answer?

It feels to me that Janus is only answering the questions posed and lightly poking at people. He didn't place a vote until asked, he wasn't attacking anyone, and overall it seemed like passive play.

Look back. I'm asking and answering questions. Meta-wise, voting late isn't unsual for me, nor is being accused of being passive (although I usually don't see it). So you really don't have much.

By fully stated I meant that you already made a list of people that you found suspicious, you have reasons, and yet I haven't seen you attack anyone. Sup widdat?

Emphasis on the I haven't seen part.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on June 11, 2011, 01:47:49 pm

breadbocks is scum, because this is exactly the sort of stuff he does as scum. He rides popular opinion for his suspicions, and then when people ask him about it he lurks like a motherfucker and avoids making a case. He did it in BMXXI and again in BMXXIII.

In fact, it's what I do anyways, which you would have known if you read any of the other games I've played. I don't like posting shit that isn't done, and I don't post because every time I do, I'll get pestered for said undone thing.

I find it interesting that you didn't strictly deny it, but rather claimed to do the same as town or scum. Can you link a game where you did the same as town? I don't recall having played with you before often / at all either way. It does feel like a traditional scum pattern.

Both of them could still be town, their scummy behaviour could be all... I dunno, two bad days in succession or something like that, probably inexperience as well.
But what's more likely, one of them is town, one is scum. In this case I'd rather say breadbocks is the scum as he tries to put it all on Dariush (using the previous bandwagon against him as a hideout).
But what most creeps me: they could also both be scum, in which case breadbocks tries to sacrifice Dariush to prove himself as a townie...

Trying to analyze pairs of people, particularly on Day 1 isn't likely to lead anywhere useful. I would suggest avoiding such lines of thought. It often leads to 'one must be scum' lines of thought which (if neither is) wastes lynches.

(After typing this, I see that Toaster said the same thing. It's worth listening to).

Can already tell I'mma need another extension.

You really need to make the time for at least something. If you make it through the entirety of Day 1 without more content, you should really consider replacement (since you're so busy).

Although, one more extension would be nice if there's no strong consensus for me personally. I'll be away from my computer pretty much all of Monday.

Janus, I don't like that you simply threw out a vote and a list with no explanations until asked. You, of all people, should know that that won't satisfy us. You're not playing the way I've come to expect town Janus to play. You're not hunting much at all, considering your fully stated list of suspicions. Why aren't you grilling them?

All of them except for Pandarsenic were people I had been questioning the post right before (ignoring the one line post).

What does 'fully stated' mean exactly?

That one leading question by LNCP is enough to make you vote for him? What makes you so sure?

Not just the question. How he defended / reacted to the same.

I'll also point out that this is in reaction to Jokerman-EXE noting you weren't voting anyone.

At that point, the day was ending today, so I voted the top of my list. It really wasn't in reaction to Jokerman-EXE, although I guess it'd look as much.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on June 09, 2011, 10:00:16 pm

Quote from: lordnincompoop on June 09, 2011, 04:58:27 pm

breadbocks. Who will you nightkill?

Leading question? Check. Scummy.

How so?

How is it a leading question? You assumed that he had a nightkill and asked what he'd do with it. Either means your saying "hey Dopp" or "hey Vig".

How is it scummy? Because you're trying to get someone to admit being scum even if they aren't. You can say that you were asking in the hypothetical all you want, but leading questions are far more useful and likely to be used by scum trying to build a case against town than town trying to catch scum.

Only one question now, I am too tired to reread the other branches right now, so that has to wait till tommorow.

Please do so. Don't think we'll forget.

On that note, you seem rather focused on breadbocks. Why? And thoughts on any of the others?

Abductions reveal the presence of a Xenozoologist. Avoiding the stun bomb for that reason would be silly.

Oh yeah. Duh.

Janus:  Easiest as in least effort/thinking required or best for team?  If easiest, probably Cutting Edge, as Body Double requires no thinking- it's a one shot revive.  If best for team, I'd say Intelligence, but that's because I like information to bolster the "informed" part of "informed minority."

What do you think when a Cutting Edge Scientist with a Body Double revives on lynch? Would that make them more or less suspicious looking?

(If a Body Double is used, alignment isn't revealed, just the use of the Body Double)

Quote from: Jim Groovester on June 08, 2011, 09:10:48 pm

I hope that doesn't mean we're going to have to reroll all the roles.

Are you implying you've got some powerful ability you really don't want to part with?

Are you rolefishing?

Unvote, vote breadbocks. My gut tells me you're a dopp scientist who doesn't know what to pick and asks experienced players, trying to make it look like a random RVS question. Tsk-tsk.

This looks like you're trying to throw suspicion on him. If he were really a Dopp Scientist who didn't know what to pick, why in the world wouldn't he ask on the Dopp Chat? He'd have at least 2 scumbuddies to help him there.

Do you really think he'd ask in the open?

You just fell for the Org Theory of Scummitude.

Remind me. Which is this?

Maybe we should wait for a couple more people?...

Considering the first signups were in April, I don't think that terribly many more people will join.

And 13 always seems an appropriate number for Mafia.