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Mafia / Re: Games Threshold Discussion and List
« on: January 21, 2011, 01:50:33 pm »
Hmm.  I was thinking no quotes, but you could link posts using a hashtag of their reply number.

Quote from: Example (with 52 characters)
In #1983 JTF is clearly scum because he used a list.

With the '#1983' being five characters.

A little more work for players to click the links, but the posts will be short enough that you should be able to get right to the point.

It's easy enough to get a character count, just use a word editor or online tool.

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Mafia / Re: Games Threshold Discussion and List
« on: January 21, 2011, 01:42:20 pm »
Two ideas that I've thought about running:
  • Twitter Mafia - All posts in 140 characters or less, no consecutive posts
  • Groundhog Day Mafia - Bastard Mod based on the film

Thoughts?

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Yes, he is, isn't he? I do it because you're being wilfully inconsistent, which is intrinsically scummy. That you are doing it to defend someone who I think is scum is even scummier. Something smells funny...

*sniff*

Yeah. Scum. I thought so.


Oh noes, that's the third time!
Do you really think that either Jim or I would do that? (Attach ourselves openly to the other if both were scum)

He really does have the whole of what I've been trying to say though.

If you have any specific questions that you want an answer to, have at them.

I see that JTF has fallen pretty quiet lately, which may or may not mean a thing, but my points against him still stand.
Did you read my post right before yours? I was asleep and then teaching all morning. Now I'm back.

So, if JTF was trying to intimidate the new guy, wasn't I doing the same thing? What makes it okay for me to do but not for JTF?
Uhhh...
Quote from: Why me = Fry me (from the link)
"Why me? = Fry me." Is a simple phrase for a relatively basic scumtell. The phrase is self-explanatory, when a player inquires why he is being voted or suspected ("Why me"), usually in contrast to his general inactivity or unimportant activity, it is as if they are drawing attention themselves and their performance negatively (Fry me.).
How does that apply? It looks like you are applying it to Jim, but he wasn't the one being voted for it. And neither of us are being inactive. The last bit could apply in the 'drawing attention [to] themselves', but it's actually a valid point (and not a negative point). So I really don't think that applies.

'Why me?' without any good reason and without doing anything helpful? Sure. 'Why me?' when you are being helpful... Not so much.

Thanks for the link though, hadn't seen that site before.

Janus, when I ask him for his other suspicions, gives the same answers as earlier, plus adding on Zath for his vote and tunnelling, plus myself for a gut feeling reason.
Because that's who I'm suspicious of. Mysteriousbluepuppet has yet to do anything proactive (scumhunting or otherwise), thus I'm still voting him. Zathras has done exactly what he's doing now as scum. I'm not voting him mainly for the same reason, I'd rather he not vote me. If he's scum, that's dealwithable on Day 2 or 3. Lynch the inactive scummy players first so they (possibly but unlikely) realize the error of their ways and so the game doesn't die of inactivity.

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Mafia / Re: Games Threshold Discussion and List
« on: January 21, 2011, 10:01:01 am »
If anyone would be interested in replacing into Sorcerer's Apprentice III, PM me. Need 1. Thanks!

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Mafia / Re: Open Games, Replacements, and Useful Threads
« on: January 21, 2011, 09:59:48 am »
Sorcerer's Apprentice Mafia III
Mod: JanusTwoface
4 pages (@50 posts/page), Night 1
1 replacements for vadia needed

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That's still no content from the either of you... :-\ 
Try to *at least* get one good post in during the next 12 hours, eh?

I'll be back around 3-4pm EST.

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>>> End of Day 1 <<<

There was once this silent man
Who went by the name Taco Dan
He must be scum
If not that'd be dumb
He's innocent? That wasn't the plan!


Taco Dan has been lynched!
Taco Dan was an Innocent Apprentice.



Taco Dan (5) - IronyOwl, KaminaSquirtle, NativeForeigner, Toaster, Zathras
Dariush (2) - Jim Groovester, Nirur Torir
vadia (2) - Taco Dan, vadia
Jim Groovester (1) - Dariush
Toaster (0) -
IronyOwl (0) -
Jokerman-EXE (0) -
KaminaSquirtle (0) -
NativeForeigner (0) -
Nirur Torir (0) -
Zathras (0) -

Not Voting: Jokerman-EXE

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@Jack A T:
Basically what Toaster said. Depending on how flimsy you read the reasons for the votes on me, it may or may not be a bandwagon. I think it was/is.

@Toaster:
Org/Archangel - Useless and anti-town at the very least thus far, may or may not be scum
Zathras - Third vote, tunneling again (was scum last time he did it to me)
NativeForeigner - Might actually be third party, based on this
You (Toaster) - I can't ever read you, gut feeling of suspicion, not enough to go on yet

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Spoiler: Vote Count (click to show/hide)

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Oops, didn't mean to hit the post button.

Turns out, looking back, Zathras was the actually 3rd vote. You just wanted to be...

Not actually sure if that makes you more or less scummy. Does make Zathras look scummier.

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Say what exactly?  When you voted me Mysteriousbluepuppet had 4 votes (JanusTwoface, Mr.Person, NativeForeigner, Ottofar) and I had 3 (Dariush, Mysteriousbluepuppet, and Zathras), making you the 4th...

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I prefer to think of it as being focused. If I find a scummy thread, I'll pull it, and sometimes a big fish (like you) is caught, which is great. But if not, then I'll move on; and I never entirely ignore everyone else, which is the definition of tunneling.
You did it in Bastard Paranormal, granted you were scum then. And in the first Sorcerer's Apprentice, although it wasn't against me that time. 

Can't wait to say 'I told you so' (again). Actually... no, I can wait. I would love to wait. :-\

It's not false. They both should get their ass in here and play, but you pulling it out just when people are focusing on you is exactly what a deflection is. "Quit bugging me! There are perfectly good targets here! Go get them instead! Zathras, you like hounding lurkers, don't you? How about these?" That's a clear deflection.
... I brought it up because I saw your LurkerTracker. I'll admit to being a bit self-serving. I don't want to by lynched, particularly on Day 1 and particularly not while people get away with *2 contentless posts*.

This is an intimidation attempt:
You're jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon without giving your reasoning. That *is* scummy around here.
Telling the new guy "*this* is how we roll around here", threatening to "nail" him for a major scumtell (for bogus reasons), explicitly after you saw how he reacted to earlier differences in playstyle (moving votes, pointing contradictions); it seems to me you were trying to provoke him into a reaction like here or here. Get him to back down; it'll be one less vote to shake off later in the day.
Not how I meant it. The 'around here' was because he brought up playing other places. Jumping to whoever has the most votes (particularly being the third vote) *is* scummy, so I pointed it out.

Bah. I want to be clear: you are definitely scummy enough to hang.
I'm really not...

However, I will concede that Org is nearly as much, and your continued presence is better for the day game than his, so I'll go on record and say: I'm ready to support a lynch of Org, who is my second scummiest target, if it seems like it's doable by the end of the day. If we decide to go this route, then I request investigative roles, blockers or somesuch to try to get a reading on Janus.
Go for it. Well, I'd prefer you not block me, but if that's what it takes, have at it.



Mysteriousbluepuppet, you still need to scumhunt. I'm not going to unvote you if you don't even if it kills me (and it might).

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Somewhat, to be more clear : No, i'm am not certain enough to put you up definitevely for lynch, i will change my vote if i get anything better. Still for now i will keep my vote on you.

Hold water or not, not responding is not helping too. If i said nothing you would have used it as further proof of scumminess.
Nope. When I first made the comment about the double post, I didn't actually think you were scummy. I just thought it was unusual, something to look back into down the road.

The only reason I'm even voting you right now is that you did over-defend yourself (and not attack anyone, but you're not the only one doing that). You've calmed down somewhat, but I still want to see you scumhunt.

If asking questions isn't your thing, there are other options. Go back in the thread and read people's posts. Look for anything contradictions or unusual behavior. Town don't have to act, so their behavior will usually be slightly more natural.

Again? On which wagon did I jump earlier? As for him, I don't think the reason is flimsy, and it had been said elsewhere by him, so it's not like he's parroting it. Neither am I, before you say it, I arrived independently at the conclusion that your attack on MBP was scummy while I was rereading, and your deflection/intimidation attempts only cemented my conclusions.
You tunnel. You've done it in two previous games I've either played or modded with you. I really don't think that I'm either deflecting or trying to be intimidating. You've said the former of me (when tunneling) and I didn't see it then and the latter is what I honestly think. The intention is *not* to get him to shut it, it's quite the opposite. I want him to expand his case, which he's doing (not that I agree with his points, but there you have it).

Oh, are you playing the "if you lynch me you'll regret it!" card? Yeah, that's another nail in your coffin.

I do admit that the game is more fun with active players, but playing to win means lynching the scummiest, and right now that is you.
I hesitated posting that because I knew that's who you (and possibly others would react), but it's exactly my point.  If you lynch me today, the Mafia kills an another of the more active players tonight, and one or more of the remaining ones is scum, they can easily just lurk to victory. Happened before, sure it will happen again. Would rather it not be this game.

There are *always* mislynches built into Mafia. I really do think that even if you're 80% convinced I'm scum, you can always lynch me later.

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Edit by way of post:

Is this:
I am not certain of your scumness. That kind of Zeal to put a lynch on someone i've seen mostly in scum, but I,m aware that it is circonstancial at best.  For now the vote stays, since i doN't really have anyone better, but i will change it if i get anything better.

Your answer to this:
Riddle me this, all of you voting me: Are you confident enough that I'm scum that you'd risk killing one of the most active players on Day 1? (serious question, I would like an answer from MBP, Dariush, Zathras, and Jack A T)

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First of all, i do defend myself when the accusation don't hold water, and ill do it as long as i'll play this game. You may read back Bastard paranormal if you wish, but defending myself is in my nature. I'm aware that my hunting is sub-par, especially day 1 when you can't use roleclaim and NK's to get a good read, so i like to live to day 2 where i can start to contribute more.
If the accusations don't hold water, you don't have to defend yourself. If people question your lack of defense, point this out to them. If they pursist, then respond to the points in question. And don't keep defending yourself once you're done.

I am not certain of your scumness. That kind of Zeal to put a lynch on someone i've seen mostly in scum, but I,m aware that it is circonstancial at best.  For now the vote stays, since i doN't really have anyone better, but i will change it if i get anything better.
This is why I'm still voting you. You're not likely to get anything better if you don't work at it. Push people, make people respond. Do that (and at least half decently) and you're free to go for the time being.

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