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Currently I am using the Lazy Newb Pack with df version 0.34.11.

I found a minor issue and was wondering if others have it as well.

1. I marked 90% of the stone to be dumped in a garbage zone (but did not create the zone itself)
2. Created a stone stockpile for the remaining 10%.

Also in the above order so no issues of stone already being marked for hauling to said stockpile can exist.

My dwarves appearently now see the 90% marked stones as higher priority for hauling to the stone stockpile then the 10% that is not marked for dumping in a garbage zone.

Shouldnt dump marked stone be left alone in this case?

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I understand that mastering the outrageously bad interface is sort of a token of pride, but I think of it this way: I play in spurts, because eventually I get behind, get confused, can't figure out how to do something vital to my survival (like make a well) and give up.  There is a lot of game there to be enjoyed, which is why I keep coming back, but I don't want to work this hard just to play a game.  If it takes clever planning and care to survive, then AWESOME.  It shouldn't take the ability to memorize pages of keystrokes as well.  I've ascended in Nethack a few times, so I know all about obscure command lists.  I'm just saying that it's not the 80s anymore, and I'm a lot less willing to take the equivalent of a college course just to be able to actually play.

DF has something truly awesome going for it.  It just needs to stop being an ascii game.  Get someone to design a mouse interface and start being a real project with broad market potential.  Minecraft is not a better game than this.  The only thing it really had going for it was a - sandbox, which DF has in spades, and b - a completely unintimidating interface.

You do know that:
A. The game is Alpha?
B. The game only has very few if not only one Developers which is Toady One. He is assisted by other people who also have programming skill to for example reduce lag, but from what I know Toady One is the big boss and does most of the work himself.

While I agree that the game as it is now might be a lot better with:
1. Lag reduction to let it make no difference if your fortress has 7 or 250 dwarves walking around.
2. Mouse interface.
3. Nice graphics.
4. Pre-planned chamber placements.
5. Choosing a resource for each item you want to create in shops. So you don't have to remove every freaking piece of stone in the stone-list to make sure that the door you want is Granite and not... not... Orthoclase. *shivers*

While personally I haven't played DF since 40d which actually had decent lag even with 250 dwarves the game has a lot of potential as you can see simply by looking at the activity on the forum. (While I find some threads a bit revolting... Discussions of the use of babies as shields for example)

Ah yes, I know that mentality, anything other then blind nods is being unhelpful. Any opinion other then your own is wrong. Here I am, debating a position with relevant arguments, and then you go and dismiss it all by simply saying I should leave. If you think I am wrong, then it is your right to tell me why, and then I can tell you why I don't agree with those points, and then you say why you don't agree with that, untill we either agree on something, or we can't think of more reasons to debate and let it rest, and then I take my leave.

Quote from: Ze Spy on December 26, 2010, 05:42:19 am

Idea's good , it might not sound like a good idea at first , But when your whole fortress is either "On break" or "Sleeping" or "eating" or "Storing useless crap in bag" and a dwarf goes moody , this thing is going to be helpful

Well that dosn't sound very fun. The abilty to have your dwarfs train other, more obscure skills would be very useful. So much so, in fact, that there are mods out there to do this, however, they are not in vanilla, simply because a 'useful' feature and a 'good' feature are not the same thing. If you havn't noticed, Toady is constructing a game of rather hard difficulty, and justifying this with a brillient flavor, and I for one wouldn't like to see that flavor taken out for the sake of making your life easier when you can't manage a single dwarf to do something.

Create an ON or OFF option. Many are happy they have it slightly easier, you are happy because you love to micro manage every dwarf that runs in your fortress. 

Started with Graphics, later with Asci.
But prefer Graphics... A good graphic pack can make the game a whole lot more fun to play.
Also a larger group of people might be willing to try DF if it had better graphics.

The problem with 40d was that wells work great, but designating a murky pool for drinking zone makes the dwarves run across the map to a carp infected river instead of the (safe) murky pool.

I currently have 40 2x4 smoothed bedrooms that each include a bed and a cabinet.

But ever since I installed beds in the hospital, nobody has been claiming the rooms upstairs. I'm almost suspicious that they are just picking the bed closest to them and not caring. While this means I don't have to use so much wood making rooms, I am curious as to whether this is a bug or something.

Maybe a stupid question, but have you made each bed into a bedroom using 'q'? If yes I find it odd, if no then your dwarves probably sleep in the nearest available bed they can find.

Quote from: Mandaril on June 18, 2010, 09:19:06 am

Quote from: Internet Kraken on June 18, 2010, 08:07:22 am

Quote from: Mandaril on June 18, 2010, 06:38:51 am

Kids can act as the idle hauler force while adults do the real jobs.

Kids can haul stuff? In all of my games, I've never seen one do that.

Also you could just use excess migrants to explore the caverns.

Took this pic just a minute ago:
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/6126/dfkids.png

Also, I've seen them deconstruct stuff and do other stuff like that. I'm not 100% sure they can haul EVERYTHING, but it seems they can haul some things.

I've only seen kids harvest plants and deconstruct walls. Every time I designate a large wall for deconstruction in my fort, they come out of nowhere and zerg rush the wall, tearing the whole thing down in seconds. So yeah, they can't haul refuse, but they can deconstruct walls.

Still waiting for a more stable DF 2010 version to start playing, but in 40d you could assign the kids those useless brats to engrave or smooth walls, never seen them do hauling duties in 40d.

My vote goes to Obsidian... In Vanilla DF, but also in my own modded DF.
I would never vote for a flux stone considering I always mod out the existence of flux from my version of DF.

Come to think of it...
In my modded game I only have Sandstone, Slate, Granite, Obsidian and Marble as layers...
I do like the colors like Microcline and OrthoClase (Alunite is too... white and Olivine is a bad color green) but was only allowed to choose 1.