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Other Games / Re: Aurora - The Dwarf Fortress of 4X Games
« on: April 17, 2023, 08:19:12 pm »
That's still a thing, but I'm pretty sure missiles are pretty heavily nerfed in the current version from the VB6 days.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: April 16, 2023, 02:50:15 pm »
The same is true for most of the first-generation full-length Disney films. Snow White and Pinocchio and films of that era were considered perfectly acceptable for children, but the target audience was grownups.
On the one hand, that explains some things. On the other, the reason I was looking it up was because I remembered it from a VHS I saw when I was a kid, that was specifically marketed and sold as kid's cartoons and picked out by my grandparents (who were still fairly young in the 40s), so...

The idea that cartoons are for kids affected everybody, even the people old enough that they ought to know better. Cultural presence is incredibly strong, especially when so many of the old cartoons were retooled into kid brands later on - Bugs Bunny is very much kid-marketed now, but in the 40s he was routinely used in "Why haven't you enlisted yet?" shorts aimed at people in their early 20s. That means there were a lot of "classic cartoons" VHS/DVD collections that were marketed toward kids, and purchased for kids, with stuff that was very much not for kids. This becomes more true when you factor in that a lot of moderns won't even pick up on certain shit that was once common - a fair number of very racist caricatures are so outdated that people today have to have them explained.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: April 16, 2023, 01:53:54 pm »
Yeah. I think one of the worst I've personally seen was "A woman's place is in the home", which I'd love to link as an example but have never been able to find on Youtube (I experienced it on one of those "X00 Classic Cartoons! DVDs you used to be able to buy at Walmart, where they just dumped a ton of public-domain stuff on a disc and sold it).


It is from the 20s (I think - had a resemblance to the Betty Boop and Popeye shorts from that era in both style and degradation), and I dimly remember it being European rather than American, but the premise is that a Happy Family is visited by a door-to-door vacuum salesman, except that the vacuum is a musical instrument that Mother is talented at. She becomes a famous musician playing to packed concert halls, while Father and Son starve in their filthy hovel. Eventually she's visiting them when another door-to-door salesman comes by with a trumpet, which she starts using to clean the floor. She gives up her career and everybody is happy again! Cue the title moral.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: April 16, 2023, 12:01:13 pm »
Old cartoons can be a trip. Something made for kids, with just casual drinking, smoking, arguably prostitution, pretty blatant racism (no sponges allowed!), etc.

Stuff like that hits me every time I see someone complaining about kids these days, 'cause we have pictures of what it was like for kids those days, and their times were at-minimum no better, ha.

In that era, cartoons were primarily filler before a movie - you would have the previews, a cartoon, a newsreel, another cartoon, then the movie would start. That way you had something to watch while you were waiting, and thus gave you a reason to get comfortably settled in before the main picture. Cartoons didn't become primarily for kids until the television era, and fairly late in the TV era at that, when the ability to make cartoons at very low cost became attractive.

All the original shorts, including Looney Tunes, Merrie Melodies, Silly Symphonies, and most of the original Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck stuff, was made for adults. The same is true for most of the first-generation full-length Disney films. Snow White and Pinocchio and films of that era were considered perfectly acceptable for children, but the target audience was grownups.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: April 15, 2023, 01:42:28 pm »
I just checked info for four major national brands of all-purpose flour (Walmart, Pillsbury, Gold Medal, and King Arthur) and none have significant levels of sodium (most were zero, one of them was 3).

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Yup
https://apnews.com/article/leaked-documents-pentagon-justice-department-russia-war-d3272b34702d564fe07a480598bcd174

Kinda stupid that the US Government let their phone guy have access to battle plans on the Ukrainian War, but whatever

He's not a "phone guy". Communications includes computer networks, a job that's impossible to do without security clearance when the computer network in question is full of classified material. The Air National Guard is a combat unit, and the Ukraine War is not only the biggest conventional war in decades but is one where there is a real chance that equipment will be stripped from the ANG for aid. IT guy for a combat unit in this situation is somebody you would very much expect to have that kind of access.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: April 13, 2023, 06:06:25 pm »
Basically any protection can be waived if there's a legitimate workplace need, or if there's no possible Reasonable Accommodation.

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General Discussion / Re: The Movie Discussion Thread!
« on: April 13, 2023, 02:08:22 pm »
I saw it in Cinemark XD, and I think you're selling it a little short. Easily the best film I've seen in theaters in a long time.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: April 06, 2023, 07:20:44 pm »
There was a strong belief in early Christianity that the Second Coming, and thus the end of the world, would be very soon. This is due to Mark 13:30 ("Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.") which was long interpreted as "my disciples will still be alive when I return" message. A more modern interpretation of this is that He was prophesying the destruction of the Temple in AD 70, which the disciples interpreted as the End Of Days because they could not fathom something so horrible.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: April 06, 2023, 08:17:06 am »
In much the same way I don’t see your own.

People are allowed to be there, and they’re allowed to be there in angry groups. The NG’s presence won’t change that. Biden also is not going to make an executive order saying people aren’t allowed to protest; that would be patently ridiculous.

Beyond that, there was advance knowledge by federal agencies of what may happen on January 6th, to the point there were federal agents in the crowd. That didn’t stop the storming of the capitol, nor did the presence of the capitol police, and I can’t imagine that would be any different should it happen again, with additional agencies present.


Nobody wants or expects the right to protest to be restricted. That would be, as you say, patently ridiculous. Preventing a protest from turning into a riot, and preventing a mob from forcing entry into a building, however, are generally solved problems with sufficient manpower.

Two major factors allowed the January 6 incident to happen the way it did. First, Capitol Police was not there in significant numbers - primarily because the people in charge of their deployment deliberately reduced deployment. Second, when requests for additional manpower from the National Guard started coming through, Trump (the sitting POTUS has the final say on DC's NG) flatly refused. This meant that the security forces did not have enough manpower to contain the crowd by any means whatsoever. A stronger force almost certainly would have been able to contain it.


More importantly, there was no major advance notice of what was going to happen on Jan 6th, because the majority of the mob didn't know what was going to happen. Most of the participants pretty blatantly were going with the mob mind when they breached the building - that's why most of them didn't do much besides mill about and commit vandalism. If there was intelligence that groups like the Proud Boys were planning to turn it into more (which I haven't seen evidence of), that only makes the point stronger, because that can be dealt with preemptively. Nothing in our legal system requires you to actually launch a planned insurrection before it becomes a crime, and the failure to do so in the case of Jan 6 either means that there wasn't sufficient intel to do so (which could be a problem again, but it is less likely now) or that the people in charge (the Executive branch oversees Federal police, which means POTUS) prevented it (which won't be a factor this time around).

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@Madman198237 who do you think have the upper hand in the sky atm? and will adding a couple wings of F16 will change that in any way?

The sky is neutral. Ukrainian SAM systems are doing a pretty effective job of restricting where Russian jets and choppers can operate, because Russia's proven quite incompetent at SEAD/DEAD missions. Ukraine (aided by Western HARMs and guided artillery) has done very well with SEAD/DEAD, but has no counter to long-range AAMs fired from Russian territory, and it turns out that long-rang air-to-air missiles are one part of the Russian military that actually works.


A supply of Western fighters would be a limited solution to that problem, because no Western country has a directly equivalent AAM - the Phoenix is long retired, and neither Meteor or AMRAAM have the same range. Ultra-long range AAMs are in development, but not ready for service yet. The primary advantages of Western fighters would be the ability to operate any ordnance that NATO is willing to supply (pretty handy, because both HARM and JADM would be much more flexible on a platform they're native to than when kludged onto a Mig-29 or Su-27, and other weapons would become an option), and (probably more important) they would be available in huge numbers. The Polish Migs being given now are probably the very last ones  NATO can get, which means that any Ukrainian aircaft that goes down is gone forever. This also increases pilot losses because there's a powerful incentive to try landing a damaged fighter in the hope of preserving a literally priceless war machine, or at least bringing home spare parts that can keep other birds flying. Were F-16s to be provided, a Ukrainian pilot that punched out would have a good chance of expecting a shiny new one from Uncle Sam to arrive by the time he's ready to get back in the fight.

None of this mitigates the extreme practical difficulty of actually getting the things there. Not only is operation completely different (which we know, because so many NATO allies have had to undergo the conversion from East Bloc to NATO aircraft), maintaining any combat aircraft is a nightmarish task. Training any single mechanic is probably simpler than training a pilot, but you need many times the number of mechanics as you do pilots. I would be shocked if there isn't a lot of training happening that nobody's admitting to, but it is a real obstacle.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: April 05, 2023, 11:09:18 am »
The more moderate wing would dearly love to take control, but Trumpism has a strong enough pull on the more extreme members of the base that skewing away from it is disaster in the primaries - remember that primaries have a much smaller draw than the general election does.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: April 05, 2023, 11:00:08 am »
You all know that for better or worst, this will likely result in Trump being elected again right? People seem to mever get enough of electing charged criminals. Add up some sex scandal and probably there will be statues of him.

He scraped out a narrow win nearly seven years ago, and every election since has rebuked him. He's very likely to win the GOP primary next year, but the general election is a far more difficult target.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: April 05, 2023, 06:21:07 am »
That's one poll, and remember how many polls last year were insistent that the GOP would have a dominant Red Wave in the midterms instead of a historic defeat. Most others are showing significantly lower opinions that politics played a consideration - and note that those polls frame it as "do you believe politics played a part in the timing", not "is it politically motivated". There's also plenty of polls showing supermajority approval from the US populace as a whole.

Trump was already a favorite to win the nomination, because the bulk of primary voters are the same hardcore minority that he heavily caters to. That doesn't translate to "most Americans are against the indictment", and it very well may hurt him in the general.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: April 02, 2023, 05:56:16 am »
That is "individuals can be prosecuted as part of this list of offenses". I posted the list of offenses that section refers to, all of which require organized activity. "If a group does X in an organized way, individuals in said group can be prosecuted" =/= "We can start prosecuting people for individually doing something that is very tangentially connected to X".

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