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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: February 13, 2023, 01:05:36 am »
A very dear online friend of mine was hit by a car last summer - he thought the injuries were light and he was healing well.


Turned out there was some hidden liver damage that the hospitals missed, and by the time he realized something was wrong it was too late. He passed a few days ago.

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Today our nazis are doing a protest march (sorry, I'm not sure what the appropriate English word is) because on February 13th 1945 the city of Dresden was bombed and largely destroyed.

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/dresden-lauter-protest-gegen-neonazi-aufzug-fast-2000-polizisten-im-einsatz-a-a1ce4863-9353-4ceb-b653-fb3a592e4084

If you look at the picture in the article, you can see that they are not allowed to bring any nazi insignia. Instead they bring a russian flag.
Remember bombed civilians by bringing a flag of someone who bombs civilians. Good job.

Only somewhat relevant, but Dresden wasn't nearly as bad as popular image presents it. It was a bad raid, but far from the worst in Europe, and the Reich quite literally put an extra zero on the published casualty figures for propaganda purposes. Somehow those propaganda figures got cemented into the sources used by perfectly legitimate historians, and became very hard to scrub.

I know a guy who studies the Germanies in the Early Modern era as a profession. He's told me that Dresden's one of the better places to study because the war damaged their archives a lot less than most places.

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General Discussion / Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of DEATH
« on: February 12, 2023, 05:30:10 am »
You only think that because you apparently haven't heard much from the Left versions of Rush Limbaugh.Who are increasingly horseshoing to the point that they're hard to distinguish from Limbaugh in a funny hat.

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General Discussion / Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of DEATH
« on: February 11, 2023, 10:09:12 pm »
Aren't weather/spy balloons pretty hard to detect with the equipment that's good at detecting everything else? Low emissions, low speed, operate high above normal operating altitude for drones or vehicles. Anything tailored to plug detection or destruction issues caused by balloons would probably be fairly useless otherwise wouldn't it?

They're pretty easy to pick up, but their flight paths and radar return strength is in the range where most radar sets filter them out - most stuff in that return range is something that doesn't pose a hazard, and can be a distraction from things that do. Per the DOD, that's why we're hearing about so many all of a sudden - after the first one, they turned the filters off.

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Nobody knows for sure what their capacity is. Probably not even Russia knows. The issue is that a tank isn't just a big metal box with treads and a gun. The armor is complex to make even when it is just steel (and just steel isn't good enough against modern weapons). Large bore guns are surprisingly difficult to make - the barrel isn't just a pipe. You need lots of specialized tools to make both, and a fair portion of that tooling has been imported in the last few decades. Odd as it may seem, there's a ton of electronics in a modern tanks, and a lot of those chips were imported. For that matter, a fair number of complete modules were imports.

Their production and repair capacity depends entirely on how much they've stockpiled key parts and how well they're managing to get around sanctions. There's no doubt that sanctions have massively cut the flow of a lot of key components, many of which have to be shared across many military applications.

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General Discussion / Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of DEATH
« on: February 11, 2023, 07:04:08 am »
The lower altitude is a genuine concern - if this was also drifting uncontrolled the risk of a collision with an airliner is small but real. Such a collision would also be a fair bit higher on the International Incident scale than merely floating over.

I doubt that is it. There are many far more severe incidents that didn't get this attention.

I know nothing on the situation outside of few news articles. My initial guess was that this is being used for diplomatic purposes to highlight Chinese ambition ( there are many Chinese trolls who claim that west is inherently violent while China is inherently peaceful). But now I wondering if this might be another 'missile gap' narrative since USA (which heavily relies on satellites and drones) dropped the ball on near space development.

There's no capability here the US doesn't have - NASA regularly sends actual weather balloons up to such heights.

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My numbers are about 2000-2200 destroyed/captured compared to ~3000 operational, + 2000 repairable, (of about 6500 parked tanks) and about fifty to a hundred new ones.  A very severe loss.  But that's mostly just napkin math.


That's probably low for losses, and high for stored vehicles. Oryx has visual confirmation on 1718 tank losses, and they're very meticulous about making sure they're not counting the same vehicle twice. This means that a lot of the footage you see online isn't reflected in their count, and nothing at all is shown from areas that are maintaining operational security until the front moves on. Meanwhile, there's pretty solid photographic evidence that a fair number of their stored tanks are rusted hulks.

You're also likely overestimating the ability to restore damaged tanks to service. Just getting damaged units into service locations is far from easy, and the actual servicing requires equipment and parts that are pretty convincingly proven to be in ever shortening supply.

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General Discussion / Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of DEATH
« on: February 10, 2023, 07:12:34 pm »
The lower altitude is a genuine concern - if this was also drifting uncontrolled the risk of a collision with an airliner is small but real. Such a collision would also be a fair bit higher on the International Incident scale than merely floating over.

There is also the possibility that this wasn't a balloon and was some sort of drone under active control. Such a thing wouldn't necessarily pose a greater threat than a balloon, but if an accident were to occur the diplomatic consequences would be even higher than that from a balloon collision.

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General Discussion / Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of DEATH
« on: February 10, 2023, 06:59:52 pm »
Apparently, the sensor package on the original balloon was the mass of a small bus, a detail I hadn't come across until now.

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Striking militarily useful targets at the frontline is significantly harder. Spraying those missiles at troop concentrations could very easily have zero effect. They're striking what they can hit, not what they want to hit.



Most of the missiles Russia is using run on pure internal guidance. What this means is that there is a computer in the missile that knows where it was launched from (derived from the launch aircraft, that may be using GPS or a similar system), knows the fixed point it wants to go to, and keeps a log of current location as it goes. These can be very accurate, using sensors to track winds and such that might affect the flight, but a certain amount of error is inevitable. For big immobile targets, this isn't a huge drawback, but tactical strikes generally need very high precision - even an immobile bunker is a very small, very hard target.

Some of the missiles Russia is using have terminal radar homing - it turns on a radar when it nears the programmed target, picks a return based on preprogrammed criteria, and goes straight for it. This is absolutely incredible for attacking ships, and gives a nice final "oh, here it is" when attacking buildings in clear terrain. Against tactical ground targets however, it is a lot more limited - most are small enough radar targets that it is really hard to pick them out from things like rocks and trees.

To hit tactical targets, you need something specialized for the role. Laser guidance, where you "paint" the target with a laser beam that the missile homes in on, is popular - the American HELLFIRE missile uses this system. Optical guidance in various forms is also popular - the TOW missile goes wherever the operator points his camera, while the Maverick (or, more relevant to this conflict, the Javelin) have a picture that their operator tells them to destroy and they go straight for it.

Russia has such systems, but they have the great flaw of being local systems - you have to be in visual range of the target, not yeeting them from half a country away. To use that kind of long range missile tactically, you need it to have some way to see visual or infrared signatures, then decide for itself which of those to attack - Russia doesn't have such a system. Neither do most countries - the British Brimstone system has a very rudimentary attempt at such a system, and I'm not aware of any others.

Ukraine's been "cheating" with a mixture of GPS-guided weapons and direct observation. A GPS guided weapon differs from an internal navigation because it is constantly asking the satellites "WHERE AM I", and the satellites are giving an extremely precise answer. Thus, where a INS system has a pretty good idea of where it is, when using GPS the missile knows where it is at all times. This eliminates all accumulated error from the flight path. If you also obtain the exact location of the target via direct observation (and more GPS systems to determine the exact position of the observer), scoring a direct hit is trivial. Russia does not have this capability. Building their weapons to require the cooperation of their main rival power (who can easily just shut off or encrypt the signals in a conflict zone) would be a bad idea, and their attempt to build their own system (GLONASS) has been far less successful due to budget cuts. So they never built their systems to rely on GLONASS as much as NATO is willing to rely on GPS.




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General Discussion / Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of DEATH
« on: February 09, 2023, 09:04:20 pm »
Tethered, not tattered (tattered means "torn up" in English, which doesn't appear to be your first language), but that's the understanding I was operating on at the time - there was a Chinese spy ship that routinely operates such balloons off the coast of Alaska when the balloon was first sighted. The sightings of other similar balloons across the globe raises doubts on it being an accidental release.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: February 08, 2023, 07:29:27 am »
I know some recovering cocaine addicts who would be extremely displeased with you for that joke.

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General Discussion / Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of DEATH
« on: February 06, 2023, 03:23:22 am »
Primary reason not to shoot it down before then was that engaging at that altitude risked spreading debris at random over a huge chunk of potentially-populated US and Canada
But it's a balloon I don't see how it'd be that big a deal to pop it over the land, were they worried it'd be filled with anthrax or something?

What exactly do you think they would shoot it down with? You have to use cannon shells (which spread over a large area and potentially cause damage and casualties to civilians on the ground) or missiles (which explode, sending shrapnel in every direction, potentially causing casualties and damage to civilians on the ground). Not to mention that the thing had some pretty substantial electronics hanging from it, which have to go somewhere after being shot down. You can not be certain where that debris will go - if there's even a single civilian in the potential damage area (which might not even be your own civilian - the potential damage area for big parts of the balloon's flight included southern Canada), you have to assume that civilian will get smoked. That's a reasonable risk to take against an attack aircraft, but this was a spy platform. Nothing it could hear and transmit before hitting the ocean (where you can put up a big "Nobody's allowed in here right now, if you get killed while trespassing it is your own damn fault" declaration) justifies even property damage.

A 20mm cannon shell or fragment of a continuous-rod warhead is far heavier than a penny, and absolutely will injure or kill you if it comes crashing down on you from 60,000 feet. If you look at WWII pictures of AA men or air wardens (the chaps who went around making sure blackout rules were enforced and helping people to bomb shelters), they all wear helmets. That's not to protect against bombs from the enemy - it is to protect against debris from friendly AA shells.

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General Discussion / Re: Reactions to Chinese White Balloon of DEATH
« on: February 05, 2023, 04:21:38 am »
They did - it was shot down over open ocean. Primary reason not to shoot it down before then was that engaging at that altitude risked spreading debris at random over a huge chunk of potentially-populated US and Canada - once it was over water, debris ceased to be an issue.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: February 04, 2023, 06:03:50 am »
That's not true - there's compounds such as asbestos that won't burn no matter how much oxygen you pump in.

Add sufficient quantities of flourine on the other hand, it is a different story.

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