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Discussed a thousand times. Please lock this and go post it on one of the 357 pre-existing bee threads.

The threads from 2007 and 2008 I found when searching for 'death bee', 2008 and 2009 when searching for 'Doom bee', 2008 and 2009 when searching for 'Hell bee', 2007 when searching for 'killer bee', did not exactly seem relevant to this suggestion.  The closest thing in the first 10 pages of the suggestions forum is a generic bee-related thread, mostly suggesting uses for honey, in which several posts make a mention of bee venom on crossbow bolts, the last post of which was made over two weeks ago.  If you'd like to point me towards one of the 357 pre-existing bee threads that deals with killer death bees from the depths of the earth, I'd gladly move my post there and delete them here.

We're going to get bees soon.  We already have necrotizing poison that causes dwarves to rot from the inside out.  Why don't we combine the two into bees whose sting causes dwarves to rot from the inside out?  Stick them in savage or terrifying locales and require that their handlers wear specialized beekeepers uniforms, either like a suit of armor (chain vest/mail legs/full helm/gauntlets/high boots) or a cloth uniform crafted from the clothier's shop.

Including the ability for bees to sting those who wander too near their hives would ALSO enable the weaponizing of colonies!  What could be better than using swarms of deadly bees to attack your enemies?

In order to be game breaking in the first place, you have to be able to define how the game can be broken.  This is the problem with an open-ended game like DF - with no real goal, you can't say that anything really makes it too easy to reach that goal.  There IS no goal to reach, aside from the ones you set for yourself.  If all the more you want from the game is a mostly non-violent, fantasy version of The Sims, you're going to play the game entirely different from someone who plays with Dig Deeper and refuses to use bridges, quantum stockpiles, or traps.

Give us your definition of what means something has broken the game.

- This fort is meant to be an embodiment of a place that simply should not be. The geometry is wrong, and the layout is alien.

This describes a fair number of forts already, with massive structures supported by spindly columns of rock, cities carved into stalactites, rooms designed specifically to kill those inside it, and large, purposeless monuments to nothing scattered around the landscape...

Well, I don't think that dwarven cities actually go completely kaput when you abandon now - I think the game 'resets' the zone with a same-race group, as long as you abandon during peace times...  could be worth testing.

have fun with that until toady fixes the exploit.

Fixes the...?  You mean dfcleanmap?  That's a mod.  It actively changes the game's behavior.  There's a difference.

Oh!  You mean using ad hoc showers to cleanse dirty dwarves!  Well, as far as I know when you get covered in a liquid you're SUPPOSED to get a covering of whatever material it happens to be, so that's not as much of an exploit as it is a clever (if possibly unintentional - and I won't even rule out the unintentional part) use of game mechanics.

Perhaps you're talking about reacting to the error message?  No, that's just being conscious.  The game does something to inform you about the world and you react to it: also not an exploit...  I mean, if you get a message that says "Urist McHauler cancels haul: interrupted by Blind Cave Bear" and send your military in to save the dwarf then that's not an exploit, right?  It's the same thing.

I don't get it.  What imbalanced gameplay element is he using to gain an unfair advantage?  Who is he getting an unfair advantage again?  In a game that ENCOURAGES trying to break the laws of physics (and indeed, sometimes decides on its own that physics can take a break - see the threads about cotton candy space elevators, bizarre volcanoes, surface pits straight to the circus, and so on), can you really call ANY unusual use of mechanics like that an exploit?

Oh, fine.
I'll get to work.
Funny thing is that there's no demons.... but I'm not putting down a single block of weapon storage until I wall and floor this place up.

afaik, if you have a fort, the demons don't spawn until you remove the sword of happiness.