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DF Bug Reports / (40d) Weird floor issue, underground farming
« on: July 17, 2009, 11:40:36 am »
I posted a topic in the Gameplay section of the forum and was told to do a bug report. I quote what I wrote in that post, and provide a savegame that can reproduce the problem:


Quote from: Marade on July 16, 2009, 01:58:57 pm
Hello Fortresseers!

I have just recently dared to venture into the realm of Dwarf Fortress, and have followed the PDF tutorial! Today I decided to try starting a new fortress from scratch, and I ran into a small problem.

After digging a bit into the mountain I found a "hole" in the mountain spanning roughly 30x30 squares and only 1 z-level. This hole had "silt loam" labeled as the floor and I think "Perfect! A farming area". So I build the farming plot there, and it doesn't say I can't. When the Farm is finished, however, it tells me I don't have any suitable seed even though I have a barrel of plump helmet spawns.

Upon closer inspection the floor under the farm has turned into a basalt floor, and after removing the farm I cannot put a new farm in the same place. Not giving up I try it again a bit further in, and get the same result. Do I need to irrigate the floor to be able to farm in there? I'll show you a picture of it and maybe you can tell me what the problem is.



Many thanks!


http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=1227

Irrigation helped, but the problem is still there with the dry tiles.

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DF Gameplay Questions / Re: Newbie question about farming/irrigation
« on: July 17, 2009, 02:17:01 am »
When irrigated the floor is farmable! The spots that are dry have the same problem as before, even though the pool is discovered.

Is this something that I should bug report anyways?

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DF Gameplay Questions / Re: Newbie question about farming/irrigation
« on: July 16, 2009, 03:05:11 pm »
No, there's nothing underneath. My plan so far is to divert water from the brook to be pumped up to the dry pool and then divert it into a cistern (thanks for the idea :)).

I'll let you know if I drown or not!

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DF Gameplay Questions / Re: Newbie question about farming/irrigation
« on: July 16, 2009, 02:47:37 pm »
Hmm, now this is curious... I dug a stair down from the room and then I got the message "You have discovered an underground pool". So I guess that is what it is. Does that explain the strange behaviour of the floor?

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DF Gameplay Questions / Re: Newbie question about farming/irrigation
« on: July 16, 2009, 02:38:16 pm »
Quote from: decius on July 16, 2009, 02:35:59 pm
Hrm... Verify you have seeds, and they aren't forbidden. Can you set planting orders for seasons other than the current one? Do the farm tiles loo(k) aboveground?

Try to plant in a natural soil layer. You can almost always find them 1 and 2 levels under grassy or forested areas.

If everything comes out right, upload a save to the bugs forum.

EDIT: Partially Ninja'd

I have the seeds, they are not forbidden and I can plant normally outside. I'll try to find me a soil layer, and check if it works there!

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DF Gameplay Questions / Re: Newbie question about farming/irrigation
« on: July 16, 2009, 02:34:48 pm »
Quote from: Albedo on July 16, 2009, 02:28:09 pm
It's a cave, which is a special Feature, so may (must?) be something odd about how cave floors work.  Can't say I have a lot of experience with planting in caves, and I don't have one saved that I can look at - have to wait for someone w/ more experience w/ that specific feature.

I do know that it's a known bug that working the floor of an area often changes it.  But farm plots shouldn't work like what you're describing, not normally. (As if there is any "normal" in DF.  ::)  )

I wasn't expecting anything normal when I started playing DF, what got me playing was Boatmurdered ant Nist Akath. So I guess that is the norm for me. ;D

I appreciate your help anyways!

Quote from: Jim Groovester on July 16, 2009, 02:30:12 pm
Did you get any messages when you broke into that chamber? It looks like a dry underground pool, and that might be what's giving you problems.

In either case, you'll probably have to irrigate it if you want to farm there.

I don't recall any messages, but it might be that it flashed by too fast I guess... I just have to get my head around the wonders of irrigation then!

Any helpful tips on that? I read what was on the wiki, and I have a brook 2 z-levels down from the cave. What would be the most sensible (I know, I know) approach?

I checked that it's underground. Dark and cozy!

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DF Gameplay Questions / Re: Newbie question about farming/irrigation
« on: July 16, 2009, 02:24:56 pm »
Well, it certainly is weird.. I tried building a new plot just now, and while it was a Silt loam floor when I placed the plot it states that it is a basalt floor as soon as I OK the construction. Which, I guess, makes it an invalid plot.

My PH spawns are in the room next door, and there's not even a door in the way.

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DF Gameplay Questions / Re: Newbie question about farming/irrigation
« on: July 16, 2009, 02:18:51 pm »
Yes I did. Or rather, I tried! The problem was/is that I could not designate any seeds to be planted at all.

I can build a new plot in there and show you what it says if that helps?

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DF Gameplay Questions / Newbie question about farming/irrigation
« on: July 16, 2009, 01:58:57 pm »
Hello Fortresseers!

I have just recently dared to venture into the realm of Dwarf Fortress, and have followed the PDF tutorial! Today I decided to try starting a new fortress from scratch, and I ran into a small problem.

After digging a bit into the mountain I found a "hole" in the mountain spanning roughly 30x30 squares and only 1 z-level. This hole had "silt loam" labeled as the floor and I think "Perfect! A farming area". So I build the farming plot there, and it doesn't say I can't. When the Farm is finished, however, it tells me I don't have any suitable seed even though I have a barrel of plump helmet spawns.

Upon closer inspection the floor under the farm has turned into a basalt floor, and after removing the farm I cannot put a new farm in the same place. Not giving up I try it again a bit further in, and get the same result. Do I need to irrigate the floor to be able to farm in there? I'll show you a picture of it and maybe you can tell me what the problem is.



Many thanks!

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