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Personally I think of goblins as being an organic race, but I guess there's some evil shamanistic magic or something involved in keeping them alive.

There's no reason it has to be evil shamanistic magic, since goblin evil is definitely not innate and depends entirely on where they're raised (their [ETHIC] tags specifically). It could just be... regular shamanistic magic?

Or the Mark of Cain. Maybe it's a curse that causes them to persist?

My question is, "above average" what?  Considering the median (not average, median) combined household income in America is about $31k, I would be duly shocked if there was any number of CEOs making less than that annually.  If I ran so much as an incorporated gas station, I'd be paying myself more than that.

I think "their peer group" implies other CEOs...

You don't get T-shirts with pockets.

And you don't get regular shirts with cool slogans on them.

And that's a shame.

EDIT: wait a minute, what kind of pockets are we talking about here?

Quote from: peskyninja on October 04, 2011, 09:49:43 am

Imo gobbos should reproduce very fast but have a short lifespan like 30-40 years.

I always imagined goblins to have just been, having always existed, and the reason for their unnatural evil and hatred is just because they were born with those traits. 

Also, I believe their methodical and sadistic impalement, along with extreme cruelty, "fueled" them, giving them immortality.  And yeah, this would fit rather well with the demonic pact thing, with the goblins both fueling themselves and their demonic masters using the pain and suffering of other sentients.

The evil and random murder are clearly cultural, though, especially since goblins raised in other societies grow up just like them. (Or teenage elves who have their wives murdered and eaten by other elves, and then go on to become king of the Dwarves).

It's really just a cultural thing. Maybe your home culture believed in skirts, which is why you spawned with one.

Quote from: KaelGotDwarves on October 04, 2011, 06:32:41 am

I don't want to derail the thread any more to debate the ethics of it, you can start your own thread if you wish, but I'm going to call any deliberate killing of an animal for the sake of killing that goes quite beyond its instincts and within it's moral understanding - as mentioned earlier such animals may have an understanding of human drowning - I'm just going to call a deliberate murder by dragging a trainer underwater until she dies "evil". Not to say that someone doesn't deserves shit for imprisoning animals that shouldn't be imprisoned, but just saying that the murder itself is evil.

Its only evil because it goes against the ethical/morale standard of 'modern' human society.

We're modern humans. We judge things based on our subject position as modern humans. That's how it always is.

doubleposted, whoops

This has been the one thing that has kept activism going over the last decade.  Centralized power structures and decision hierarchies are defining characteristics of the powers we're fighting against, and it would be STUPID to try and contest the establishment on its own terms.  I guarantee you that if there was a chain of command and identifiable leader figures, they would have been targeted by authorities and the protests would have been shut down within the first week.

I'm just going to go ahead and point out that the our own communist rebels have their own centralized power structures and decision hierarchies and have been fighting almost uninterrupted for about fifty years. A disorganized movement is just a mob that wants something. And it doesn't look like they all want the same thing, either.

On an unrelated note, am I the only person who pronounces your screen name as "Salmo Ngod"?

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I guarantee you that if there was a chain of command and identifiable leader figures, they would have been targeted by authorities and the protests would have been shut down within the first week.

All that happens when you jail or kill a leader is that you end up pissing off the movement even more. Countless "authorities" have learned this.

Your concept of an "identifiable leader figure" seems to hinge around personality based movements, not ideology based movements. A personality based movement would shut down without its defining personality. An ideology based movement doesn't.