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Quote from: Taz on October 02, 2015, 04:10:00 pm

Quote from: Vgray on October 02, 2015, 03:53:03 pm

Quote from: Taz on October 02, 2015, 03:34:35 pm

Quote from: Vgray on October 02, 2015, 03:24:27 pm

First off, who was the final boss? This is an important question.

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uhhh asriel if i'm not forgetting anything

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Just to clarify, you beat God Flowey and then reloaded to befriend Alphys right?

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yes, then true lab, then asriel

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Right. In that case, I don't think any dialog changes. They don't call it a true reset for nothing. If you had reset after a neutral/normal pacifist run, the dialog would change slightly as certain characters comment that you seem familar.

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why does our/Frisk's/whatever soul break when we die? For that matter, why does Toriel's break so fast compared to Asgore's which needs to be helped along by Flowey?

AWESOMELY EXTENSIVE DATA LOGS

Thank you for the data RocheLimit! The animated gifs are extremely impressive; they're an excellent way to document a decades-long campaign. I find myself entranced by the Tigermen milling about before they engage the dwarves, and I wonder if you considered making an album or posting a campaign history to share with the community. I'm in the process of looking through the data logs, but a couple of things stood out to me. I've been trying to confirm whether Fortress Defense races suffer from the problem of running out of trained soldiers, and it looks like late-stage Badgermen were arriving naked, or as wrestlers. I'm also surprised that Goblins eventually petered out completely but Tigermen stayed strong. Go Tigermen!

How tough are naked Jotunar and Fiend Spiders? I've learned tricks to deal with them myself, but I've been wondering how users of the mod perceive their difficulty, considering their size and/or mechanics.

I noticed the fort waited four years to receive its first siege. That seems in line with other data that has been collected for the mod, and for invasions in general. I think it's an acceptable wait period, as long as the sieges do come after that point is reached. I also see it took a progress_trigger_x:5 race 27 years to start coming to the fort. I suspect the late arrival of Ferric Elves was due to conflicting triggers with the Tigermen. This might even have been the case for the other later arriving races.

The fleeing Tigerman mounts exhibit behavior that human mounts also exhibited historically, because the siege code doesn't war train invader animals (probably due to a lack of identifying tags). I am personally fond of this behavior because I see the kiting tactics as semi-realistic, but I have been considering changing how the FD civilizations interact with mounts/animal allies. Considering that Tigermen only rarely mounted their sieges, it might even be a good change of mechanics to have once in a while.

A dwarf with an assigned bedroom will choose to idle there instead of in the meeting hall.

This is useful to me since I'm playing with Natural Growth forts and this lets me manipulate the system and encourage couples by designating beds as 1x1 bedrooms and placing two side by side with specific dwarves assigned.

What's the marriage rate of vanilla dwarves in this system? I tried it but it seems to take longer than ever in the current version for them to hitch up, if they are even interested in tying the knot in the first place.

Interesting. Might just be my choice of embark then.
Goblins apparently finished off my fort less than a year after I retired it. Must send in an adventurer to take revenge.

No sieges in first two years of the new fort. Elf and Human caravans showed up though. Wonder why they never came to the last place? It's only just down the road with all the same neighbours. Pathing bug?

I have gotten elves/humans at forts that were later attacked before.

That said, now that I know more about the pathing bug, check the list of civs in contact range to see if you have contact with hostile civs. Hostile civs vanishing from that list was one of the symptoms of the pathfinding bug.

Thanks for the report Shonai_Dweller! I'm glad to see that my mod was successful one more time in delivering !!FUN!! Encouraging the otherwise shy sieges with offerings of gold to the rng should be an effective approach, due to the tags tied to production and trade on the FD races.

It seems so far that enemies never come with sieges within the first two years, but boosting population and trade can have them come as early as the third year? I haven't been able to do enough tests to know whether all civs within range will eventually come, or whether bugs will each some armies en route. I'll look at Great Fiend Spiders and see what their tags are making them do, but their speech capabilities do make them cutely reminiscent of the spiders in The Hobbit.

I assume the Spiders gained crossbow skill from knowing how to shot web.

Quote from: darkflagrance on September 08, 2015, 09:39:29 am

It looks like PROGRESS_TRIGGER:1 (lowest possible) causes the earliest sieges to arrive about 3 or 6 years in, give or take a few. In comparison, goblins are PROGRESS_TRIGGER:3 for most things. I'm not sure whether their later progress trigger makes them arrive much, much later, but it would explain a lot.

How'd you find that? I thought those just corresponded to population and wealth levels. You can define what each of the progress triggers actually corresponds to in the raws, I think. I tried it once, to no avail.

Based on anecdotal evidence from my and others' forts, modded PROGRESS_TRIGGER:POPULATION:1 (or however it's spelled in the raws) enemies take 3-5 years to arrive. It's also possible the wealth or trade triggers are causing them to come, but as I said, it's very hard to figure out why and what causes this or can be done about it.

I know you don't want to be dependent on dfhack, but I just wanted to let you know that scripts exist that can assign specific animals/creatures to civs as mounts, warbeasts, minions, etc. It's possible to give tigermen war-tigers to ride and tiger-ogres instead of trolls; give hellfire imps some troops of balrogs or demon-dogs to ride, etc.

You are right Meph. I feel that part of my design philosophy for Fortress Defense is keeping the diverges from vanilla necessary to make the mod work relatively minimal, and only add what's necessary while using as many basic assets as possible. I like a mod that's low maintenance to install and use, and for that reason I try to stay clear of dfhack. I'm not sure the additional features would be worth the increased installation complexity. But this does not hold true for branches of Fortress Defense not maintained by me - anybody is free to make those changes themselves, if they desire.

Five years sound serious, but I'm glad the invaders managed to come in the end. I'll be following your progress as you post more!

Tigermen should have the lowest progress triggers, so this implies that even at the earliest a fortress will have to wait several years for an invasion.

I suspect the wrestlers, being historical figures, picked up wrestling and decided to come naked. I guess that's their decision.

The iffiness of invasions is why I generally recommend allowing multiple civs access; that way even if one falls prey to an unpredictable bug in the current version, the others can provide some...gutwrenching entertainment.