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There has to be money in it before it corrupts isn't there? This, in addition to being a PR nightmare, has garnered few sales. And all those sales will come at the cost of future sales. Consumers will be voting with their wallets and reviews.

If Bethesda wants to shoot itself in the foot, then they're welcome to do it. Let it be a precedent for any other companies thinking of adding paid mods. It's sad that the modding community takes a hit, but it's better that it shows that now rather than later.

I accept pay in Gaia gold.

100% will go to my waistline. And another 100% will go to my thighs.
200% will go into self-pity ice cream.

I like how we're entitled for wanting the modding community to stay as it was a week ago. Is this what being a monarchist is like?

Ah yes this quote, I like how companies expect us to pay for people for things they didn't make while taking the lion's share, claiming moral superiority (We support modders hurr), and making condescending blanket assumptions about anyone that disagrees.

1. Oh, I never said they should get 75%, but that saying that Valve decided on that number is fallacious.
2. How did mods work before, exactly, when it came to stolen content? Technically, it is the mod owners policing their own mods. If it gets particularly ugly, then yes, Valve needs to rethink their stance. So far though, I don't see any evidence that mod theft will run as rampant as everyone claims.
3. Yeah, I know. Should probably message Valve about it or something, but I suspect their inbox is flooded to death right about now.
4. I understand where you're getting that info from, but it isn't as you describe. Valve's "not our problem" response only applies to mods becoming out-of-date or compatibility issues, where I do agree that Valve needs to take a stronger stance on paid mods actually keeping their stuff up-to-date and functional. Maybe a trial period for paid mods instead of a refund period?

1. I said I don't really care whose fault it is, but this needs to be changed.
2. If we simply wait for abuse, then modders suffer anyway; meanwhile ValveThesda still takes the money and will only lift a finger once the DMCA is sent (If sent at all).
3. GabeN mentioned that he had 3300 messages about this in his inbox once he returned.
4. A trial issue would be great, Skyrim is notorious for mod clashing, and it takes quite some time before it's addressed.

Would you agree with me if I said "The system as it is will have a significant chance of failing badly and should be changed before going into use"?

Funny, though, how things that were major issues a few pages ago suddenly become unimportant once they're debunked.

So you do agree with these points and that there are in fact major issues that need to be addressed before Valve uses the system?

1.  75% "fee" (And the fact that mods have to make at least $400 to get a payout at all).
4.  No guarantee that the mod will be patched if an update happens. (Steam's response is, if the modder does nothing it sucks to be you).
5.  24 hour return policy which does nothing to ensure that a mod is compatible. Errors may only become evident days after "purchase."

Seems to be on par with other microtransaction stuff to me.

That kinda IS low content isn't it?

Well, you do have 24 hours to get an automatic refund. So sifting through it all for something good is still free. Pay, hate, refund, done. Interdependable mods... just need to have a license agreement.

It takes a lot more than 24 hours for a mod to be considered "Bug Free", even if all that time is spent playing it.

The problems I have with the workshop is as follows:

1.  75% "fee" (And the fact that mods have to make at least $400 to get a payout at all).
2.  No system in place to stop stolen mods
3.  No system in place to limit low-effort mods (Even a filter will do).
4.  No guarantee that the mod will be patched if an update happens. (Steam's response is, if the modder does nothing it sucks to be you).
5.  24 hour return policy which does nothing to ensure that a mod is compatible. Errors may only become evident days after "purchase."
6.  Not even a minimum guarantee of Quality Assurance. At least developer-produced DLC is expected to have gone through QA. (Early access mods? Really?)

The most obvious example was that "Valve is taking down donation links!" thing that was a big focus of this controversy until everyone realized it was fake. News spreads through these things based on the amount of outrage is causes, not its factuality. It's like shitty journalism but with less accountability somehow.

Then we'll concede this point and move on to the next one.

So does chemotherapy.

Dragonborn is decent. It's essentially what Bloodmoon was for Morrowind.
I only play Dawnguard for the crossbows honestly, but now I use flintlock rifles so I just keep it around for compatability. I prefer werewolves and "Better Vampires" is superior to the one in Dawnguard anyway.
Hearthfire is ehhh... It's if you want to build a house and adopt children. A lot of fanmade homes do use Hearthfire, but I just want a place to store stuff and there are more convenient mods for that.