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DF General Discussion / Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« on: April 23, 2010, 02:21:22 am »
My educated guess is that new players represent a disproportionate percentage of people going to the wiki.  When going directly to individual pages they likely go there to (1) figure out what the hell a specific game concept/item/action is, (2) figure out how to accomplish an objective they've already formed, or (3) expand their general understanding of broad game ideas and themes.
Correct.  Approximately 50% of page views are from new (ie, never visited the wiki before) users. 83% do not have a user account.  Of this final 17% with a user account, only 5% (so, a total of less than 0.85 of 1% of all wiki users) have been active in the last week.

For this reason, there should be a prominent link in the center of the main page that directs people to the wiki for the most stable version of the game, which is still 40d.
Feel free to add one.  I haven't gotten to it because of time restraints, and because I'm working on possible redesigns for the front page as well.
As for the old jokes, much more than having heard the elf hate and magma dumping a zillion times, the thing about suggesting that this is all there is to the game is what really bothers me. There are many different approaches to the game and you can play it much more freely in directions of evil and good (however you define those) than any other game, and yet, the those jokes give the impression that this game is only good for psychopathic people out to engage in slaughter and physical abuse. As such, I feel that it discourages full exploration of the potential of the game.

The wiki is a community resource, feel free to add your other viewpoints on how to play the game.


Regarding Elven / Human / Dwarven, anyone is free to change the reading on those templates.  Once again, it's just something I have not had time to do, and am not likely to have time to do so for a while.

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DF General Discussion / Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« on: April 22, 2010, 06:47:43 pm »
The raw data will probably be moved soon, it's far too cramped as it is there imo.

There are several issues with the raw bar though that make it very difficult to work with: namely, it HAS to be a fixed width (because of limitations with html) or it will expand to fill a ridiculous horizontal space.  So, I'm not exactly sure what to do with it at the moment.

The idea behind cramping the In the Real World box is so it becomes visually unappealing to add a treatise on the formation of magnetite under conditions similar to the sun where the llamas have yet to encounter the genetic soulstone of livingswort growing for the manhattan complex of lunar flares whilst chewing the green pork.

Also, I tried moving everything over to the side because a lot of our templates on our larger pages are cramped and fighting for space on the z-levels (blocking access to information).

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DF General Discussion / Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« on: April 22, 2010, 12:49:59 pm »

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DF General Discussion / Re: Got it running on my Mac with WINE
« on: April 22, 2010, 03:54:07 am »
I don't have an FPS count, but it sure feels slower then then 40D17 did.  Which is not really a surprise given that a) it's based on slower OpenGL code, b) Toady added a bitch-load of cool stuff, and c) it's being emulated.

And I've had a few CTDs (crashes to desktop). But I'm not reporting them as bugs because if WINE's the problem there's not much Toady can do about it.

Nick

AUGH
wine stands for "WINE IS NOT an EMULATOR," please don't call it an emulator >.>

Wine is a compatibility layer.  There's actually a significant world of difference - wine just takes your windows function calls and translates them into operating-system native calls.  An emulator will pretend to be a full CPU - which is many times slower than a compatibility layer ever would be.

Sorry, it's a pet peeve of mine.

error stuff
Try updating XFree86 to 4.8.0 if possible.

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DF General Discussion / Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« on: April 21, 2010, 06:07:43 pm »
Wikimedia commons actually exposes an api that is free for use for pictures, and we use that.

So, if a file is not uploaded locally, but it exists on the commons, just using that filename like you would normally will show that picture.

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DF General Discussion / Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« on: April 21, 2010, 04:04:31 pm »
All good.  The general idea is that we accomodate as many viewpoints as possible.  This, however, requires discussion and compromise.

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DF General Discussion / Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« on: April 21, 2010, 03:58:02 pm »
Not once did i ever say anything about a consensus.Regardless of what you do,It doesn't affect me,as i rarely go on the wiki.

Right, but all decisions regarding the wiki are ideally done by consensus.

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DF General Discussion / Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« on: April 21, 2010, 03:27:10 pm »
*coughreadthethreadcough*

As a related point, I think all subjects on the wiki that are defined in the raws should have their raw information in their wiki article.
We have a template for that, we're just missing some items.

IF you want to take the time to help out with this, just use {{gamedata|COPYPASTE THE RELEVANT RAWS HERE}} at the bottom of the article.

You might want to put a poll up,on here or on the wiki,so that people can decide one way or the other about this topic.
Personal opinion: real world info should be included.Helps immerse yourself in the game and provides some learning while your at it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making Consensus is not a poll.

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DF General Discussion / Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« on: April 21, 2010, 02:42:53 am »
One of my primary goals (I won't deign to speak for every other editor) is to simplify the wiki's navigation and content flows so users can find the content they're looking for, and find it quickly.  So, all of these suggestions are very useful, in my opinion.

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DF General Discussion / Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« on: April 21, 2010, 01:06:00 am »
Oh, I agree.  The 2D wiki was archived as well long before I came along and started playing DF, much less started hosting the wiki - it just happened to be where the link was, so we used it for the 40d archive. 

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DF General Discussion / Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« on: April 21, 2010, 12:50:47 am »
Archives? Huh? Did you miss the big green box on top of the article with the version numbers in it?

G-Flex: I'm not sure what you're referring to. I'm talking about the DF Wiki main page.

Archives:   v0.23.130.23a Wiki(archive.org snapshot), v0.28.181.40d Wiki

that's at the bottom of the main page.  Perhaps the placement is bad, but that's where archive links have been since the v0.23.130.23a Wiki was archived.

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DF General Discussion / Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« on: April 20, 2010, 10:54:47 pm »
SirHoneyBadger, no information at any point was deleted from the wiki.  Your specific complaints have been addressed MULTIPLE times, and other pages are still remaining.

Check this thread out: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53484.0

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General Discussion / Re: Forum move/upgrade
« on: April 20, 2010, 10:44:27 pm »
Very smooth move overall, Toady, Baughn, et al.  Glad to see it's working great and very speedily now!

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DF General Discussion / Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« on: April 20, 2010, 09:28:10 pm »
Yeah, I just think that the text identifying it as real-world information should go in the header itself, just to make it more visually clear and to prevent situations like someone accidentally leaving it out of the first sentence.


"<subject> in real life" or "<subject> in the real world" could work. Or just leave off the subject name and do something like "In the real world:". I think some trial and error could work, here.

What about this? http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Template:Factual

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DF General Discussion / Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« on: April 20, 2010, 09:12:09 pm »
I was thinking something like DID YOU KNOW? and then the topical sentence would start with "In the real world, ...".  However, this may not be the best way to approach it.  What other headers could we use?

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