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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: Water / magma submarine
« on: May 09, 2010, 01:45:27 pm »
Okay, so we construct the pod underwater, fill with desirables, then drop a giant piece of stone on it to seal it? Is that approximately what we're talking about here?

Since the post-merge version should be up soon, I think I'll wait for that to give this one a try, but it looks very promising.

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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: Water / magma submarine
« on: May 08, 2010, 05:08:14 am »
How did you manage to get a gap in there? If i read your screenshots correctly, it looks like you're almost there in terms of what we need, with floors on top and bottom of an open space. If we can get it to seal up around the edges we win. Probably. Aside from the drowning/incinerated dwarves issue.

EDIT: Re-reading your post, does it just seem to be random noise that made that gap, or do you think it's something we could calculate and predict?

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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: Water / magma submarine
« on: May 08, 2010, 01:17:11 am »
This may seem like a stupid question, but what about natural floors? i.e. if we mined out the ceiling layer to create an obsidian floor ceiling? I predict it would collapse and kill the dwarfies, but just wondering if anyone's tried it recently.

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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: Water / magma submarine
« on: May 07, 2010, 10:25:47 pm »
Hey Dante, could we get that save by any chance, so we could do some other tests with it? I have a few ideas of my own that might be interesting.

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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: Water / magma submarine
« on: May 06, 2010, 02:28:13 am »
Attempted the water-bubble method in the arena. The ceiling detaches the instant the cave-in happens, crushing the cat to death immediately. So that's a no-go. I do have a couple of other theories, involving caged dwarves.

It might be possible to drop the diving pod one layer at a time, and deposit a caged dwarf within. I've heard dwarves are oddly invulnerable from within their cages. Who knows, it might prove helpful at some point.

going to try a magma bubble for kicks.

EDIT: According to the wiki, constructions don't deconstruct until they hit the bottom. This might, might mean that it's possible to fill a room with supports and drop it into the whatever. Going to try, but it'll have to be in fortress mode since I don't think you can make supports in arena.

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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: Water / magma submarine
« on: May 05, 2010, 10:36:40 pm »
thats... genius...

A caged dwarf should be immune to drowning, right? so he can sit in a water bubble chamber without any ill effect, probably. If we can get the water bubble to pop when dropped, we might have a winner. I'll cage a couple of animals and get this thing going.

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DF Gameplay Questions / Are constructions still magma-invulnerable?
« on: May 05, 2010, 10:14:37 pm »
I know you need to make magma-safe pumps and stuff, but are the constructions still totally fine, even if made of wood/ice etc? I'm fairly certain they are, but don't really want to melt my giant magma tower.

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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: What's going on in your fort?
« on: May 05, 2010, 09:39:21 pm »
For the pod thing, are you planning to try all the methods? I think that supports sound the most promising, as long as they don't deconstruct.

I'm planning to get several configurations up and running. I think I'm going to start with a basic obsidian cube with a hole in it, which I'm 99.99% certain will fail due to the ceiling crushing the inside. From there I'll try the supports, the water bubble method, double-hulled pods, anything until I can get the drop to work right. The end goal is to drop something containing water and some supplies with a single living dwarf inside, into a substantial depth of water, and have the dwarf survive as well as keep the pod intact and un-flooded.

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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: Magmanauts
« on: May 05, 2010, 09:20:00 pm »
I'd refer you to this thread, where we're currently discussing the possibility of living dwarves under water/magma.


As far as your concern with deconstruction, I'm reasonably certain that constructed walls deconstruct immediately, but cast obsidian does not. You might therefore be able to drop a cast obsidian tank down with a kitten to explore the pipe.

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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: Water / magma submarine
« on: May 05, 2010, 07:28:52 pm »
Interesting results! I'll add it to the list of things for the Dwarven Science Center to test. How long will the dwarf live in 7/7 water though? Long enough for the fall to complete, possibly opening up somewhere for the water to drain? Maybe a sealed water chamber with a constructed door that would pop when the pod fell...

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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: What's going on in your fort?
« on: May 05, 2010, 07:19:10 pm »
Setting up a Dwarven Science and Research Center. This time, I'm loking to specifically test out means of dropping a pod with a living dwarf inside to the bottom of the ocean. Trying to get the groundwork in quickly so I can get to the science!

Strangely enough, all seven embark dwarves are females. You'd think the migrants would come running.

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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: Water / magma submarine
« on: May 05, 2010, 06:36:18 pm »
going to whip up a volcanic site to do some testing on, see if I can perfect the sub pod design. Once we can drop stable structures into the water/magma, we should be able to get surviving dwarves down there with relative ease.

If only we could build retracting stairs down from the surface...

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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: Water / magma submarine
« on: May 05, 2010, 04:17:16 pm »
Interesting problem. Is there a good way to find a deep ocean? I've been finding bodies of water that are only 2 or 3 z-levels deep. Ideally, I'd love to find an ocean that was 10z deep or something. Any ideas?

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Nifty, now can you figure out a way to do it for larger stairways? I generally make 3x3 stairs

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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: Water / magma submarine
« on: May 05, 2010, 05:01:38 am »
Okay, so I'll have to dig down to the magma sea or whatever, pump lava up, cast big blocks of it, drop it into the ocean (with a dwarf and supplies inside), then actually make sure he lives? This is getting quite complex. I like it. I don't have much of any experience with magma casting, but it should be simple enough, if I can get through all the other challenges of building it.

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