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I will accept...before all but one of my kids mysteriously "vanishes".

The true spirit of not-CK2.

I just like to air on the side of caution. Also, I don't trust the government to do a good job of anything.

Who said anything about the government? Single nations aren't usually in command of the stability of entire planes, and planes that fuck up their planar barriers to the point that some random guy waving a stick around and chanting can summon infinite demons tend to have a life expectancy of precisely fuck all.

[No rest for old bones]

Ready yourself for combat, prepare fallbacks, then command it to destroy itself. It might still be bound to obey you, but if it's creating more who may not be then at the very least it possesses initiative, which given you don't know whether it's loyal or not, or even exactly what it is...

Depends what you were using the blood for and the way the summoning was structured. If as a power source, you might get part of the summoning to work, though the apparent result might bear no resemblance to the original ritual to the untrained eye. You wouldn't end up with the Higher Order Demon unless you had a pretty significant amount of power, though, so unless you were just a tiny bit short on the blood needed or were trying to use the blood to power a binding... The walls between planes are pretty tough to crack as it is, and most planes have pretty significant wards up to discourage traffic with the more... unsavoury planes. Angels, demons, whatever, they're all likely to cause problems for everyone.
Of course, if you were just using the blood as an appeaser/binder, or were on the same plane as the Demon in question to begin with, or were in an area/plane with particularly weak barriers/a significant power boost to summoning spells/a link with the plane the Demon is on/several other scenarios... Yeah, you're fucked.

Regarding the orange juice... not really my area of expertise (I would never waste juice like that), but it depends on how the ritual is set up. If it was originally strictly designed for blood, see above. If it was designed for juice, you should be fine, provided the juice is actually capable of fulfilling the role the ritual is using it for (which it really should be if whoever designing the ritual knew their stuff, unless it was a prank), otherwise see above. If the ritual doesn't care what is used, then much the same situation as if it was designed for the juice but without the safety net of whoever designed it presumably checking if juice would work in their design.

Quote from: Harbingerjm on January 13, 2015, 07:36:01 pm

I don't really see how a) your island being at sea level rather than sky level is a terrible thing

a) Altitude sickness. This wasn't a slow, gentle rise; this was going from sea level to above Mt. Everest within a few minutes at most.

No, I said "being at sea level rather than sky level", ie when it got lowered. I mean, sure, there would be a fair amount of damage caused by the descent itself, but once you're down and able to survive, the only real difference is easier access to ocean resources.

Hm... Wouldn't they have faced similar deaths from falling to the ocean and stuff? Even if it was a slow fall the sheer amount of oxygen would be lethal right? If their descendents died from too little, surely they died from too much?

Generally, "too much oxygen" tends to be either "oh god I'm on fire" or "we fiddled with the local atmosphere and there's WAY MORE OXYGEN THAN THERE SHOULD BE FOR THIS PRESSURE LEVEL IT'S GOTTEN POISONOUS!" I've never heard of a reverse of altitude sickness, and cursory google searching suggests it doesn't exist (in humans, at least).

It's metaphorical weight. Life got heavy, and they were all very depressed until they managed to become deferential enough that none of them put pressure on another... at which point they all got high and partied and society collapsed, and then they died from starvation and such. Thus we see that Neutral Evil is best alignment.

It isn't a design flaw, that's the case in history. The ones who don't want war simply aren't prepared for when it happens, and die quickly.

Non of the characters are prepared, that's a big point of the game.

Ah, well, I uess we'll just have to murder everyone. Shame, but these things happen.

Terrible shame. Real tragedy. Pass the liver, would you?