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This is a great idea, but we would need an easier way to do it. I can't imagine trying to do this in the raws. Maybe a simple GUI would be useful for that...

Maybe basing something off of Quickfort would be useful.  This program makes it easy to designate areas to be mined and set up constructions using an excel spreadsheet.  Something like that could be co-opted for the suggestions in this thread, methinks.  I dunno.  :B  Anyway, I love the ideas presented thus far! 

Are there still no wagons in DF 0.31.03?

I am not getting any wagons and I most certainly have access to civs and depot access to wagons.

Dood.  Your stuff is and always will be godly-impressive regardless of any sort of realistic cave-ins that may or may not be implemented. 

That said, I'm for realistic cave-ins, but only if there's an option to keep things as they are as well.  The player should have the ultimate control over their experience in the game, and from what it sounds like to me in all the DF talks, this is the kind of game Toady wants to make.

Come on, people.  Be nice.  :C

You know, I'm almost tempted to say that hammers and maces should pretty much almost behave the same way and just be a matter of taste which one is used...  Superficially at least, it seems that way IRL.

Pointless?  How so?  Enlighten me.

But I think I know what you mean though about knowledge being the only limiting reagent in the case of DF, and not real life.  My previous point was little more than a bit of speculation using an example from real life to point out that maybe perhaps if things in DF were sufficiently realistic (and they are not right now), maybe the other reagents in addition to knowledge that were involved in plate armor tech and possibly steam power (again, speculation) would actually be a factor.  As things are in DF right now, I agree, knowledge is essentially the only limiting reagent. 

Also, for what it's worth, knowledge of steam power was probably not widely known prior to its practical development in the 1600's, and knowing is half the battle...

If you have a material advantage (adamantine vs steel, or steel vs copper, or something), especially with high weapon quality, then edged vs armor should do just fine.

Assuming armor/weapon damage is implemented in that case, I agree to a good extent.  But I believe a sword being used purely for slashing would have to be much harder (i.e. steel vs. copper) in order to damage the armor significantly.  Even then, the damage through the armor would be reduced.  This is where real life tests would be in order methinks. 

It's my opinion that a plate of any metal as hard or harder than copper would still reduce a sword of any material to an inferior blunt weapon, even if the plate gives a bit, but it would still have a concussive effect that could be effective if a direct hit.  In this case, a sword's concussive blows would have a much harder time than a hammer/mace/axe doing significant damage against the body parts of a non-stationary, self-defending target unless it's a direct hit to the fingers/hand, face (especially if an open-faced helm) and head (through concussion).  This is assuming the sword can't thrust into the kinks of armor and the wielder of the weapon isn't mounted.  An axe would be much better than a sword with regard to slashing due to its mass and sectional density, basically amounting to a mace or hammer that glances off more often, and that could do a good deal of damage to the armor and wearer beneath...  If it's a thrusting weapon, although the plate would cause it to glance off more, if the plate is made of much softer material than the weapon, the weapon could penetrate, though probably not far if the material of the weapon isn't too much stronger.  I hope I'm making sense.

Swords against skeletons would still be decent, and probably wouldn't break (if made of iron or steel) against such a relatively soft material as bone.  I agree that a mace or hammer would be better, with maces being possibly better than hammers due to a larger striking surface; the hammer has a much smaller striking surface than the mace and could conceivably be more likely to glance off or get stuck between ribs or in the skull or something.  But the getting stuck could play to an advantage in some cases maybe, like for wrasslin'...

Another thing relevant to this topic: keep in mind that there are different kinds of plate armor.  A one-piece breast plate of the late 14th century and beyond will not have as many exploitable kinks as a coat-of-plates of the early 14th century and earlier.  This could play into the efficacy of different weapons vs. plate armor.  For the sake of simplicity though, I assume the plate armor in this game is intending to simulate a late 14th c. full plate harness.