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This is the wrong place for a random, generalized rant. We've done very nicely avoiding derails up until now, and I'm sure everyone would like to keep it that way.

I enjoy reading about the ideas people present here,I'm always down with nuking the ocean.
But there's no sense in doing the whole debate team thing.No ones running for election,You don't have to righteously defend your idea to the last man or go on a holy crusade against the other guy.

So what is the point of this post, and who or what is it addressing?

I just want to know what the scientific principle is behind detonating a nuke at the crest of a gas deposit. Anyone able to enlighten me?

It was proffered specifically because you seemed to want names for the teams. We'll stick with it until my partner offers an opinion on names.

Turtles = vermin != large animals.

Products of death: remains (not corpse)

job "Butcher an animal" <ingredients: large animal or corpse>

There should be some few new animals that produce shells, but your likelihood of running into them is low. You're also not advised to wait for a lucky forgotten beast type. Modding in a large domestic animal that produces shells is your best bet. Hopefully Toady will fix this soon!

Ah, so we have three people since I last looked who state that art is necessarily the product of intent. And one directs us to the reasoning of C. S. Lewis, in his argument for both an inherent moral compass and natural tastes. I'm afraid that is not a currently popular view.

Even the view that evolutionary progression has produced such inherent tendencies is not popular with modern intellectual society (or at least the most vocal part). So, while compelling to some, it probably comes off to the average liberal Bay12 forum poster (assuming the liberals are the most common and not simply the most vocal) as high-handed.

However: I have to agree. First, that C. S. Lewis's apologetic books are a heck of a good read no matter what your faith, because he was such a great logician (though I am convinced he was wrong about some things and that I see holes in some of his statements, as I am sure anyone with formulated views will say when reading his work). Second, that the human soul is quite real and that contemplation of the soul and its actions and products (such as music and physical art) gives meaning to life. Third, glad to see that someone thinks the same way about animals trained to mimic an artist's actions. I still wonder what point that poster was trying to make, or if it was a joke-troll in a straight-faced discussion?

So, in the majority of interested posters:
1) Art has intent.
2) Art comes from the human creative soul, imagination, or simple creative impulses. There is disagreement between those who advocate a spiritual human being and those who advocate a simple genetic computer: an animal human. However, art is human.
3) There is good art and bad art, but the quality itself doesn't determine whether something is "Art".

Quote from: Shangurath on May 24, 2010, 12:34:56 am

If I chain a wardog to restraints won't it die? It needs to eat and drink probably?

No, animals do not eat or drink.

One of those little things down at the bottom of Toady's list: a system for feeding animals seems to be considered tedious micromanagement for the player. I haven't been around long enough to be able to say this with certainty, but I haven't heard it mentioned at all.

Alright, I need a new second player. That guy I'd never heard of doesn't answer private messages.

"Team Beleaguered" needs a second player.

Our magical golems should be immune to magic, like the ones from old roguelikes. Except forms which deal purely destructive physical damage, of course. And we should make them out of tempered metal. The more joints the more dexterous and more capable of performing complex tasks, and the lighter their parts the faster they'd move, but of course the heavier and less jointed the more resistant to damage.

Now, how should they be animated? Should they use human sacrifices? Can we put a hex on persons that would drain their energy and feed it to the golem (a mysterious plague!), which would render the golem's energy vulnerable only to the destruction of the hex object?