Bay 12 Games Forum

You keep telling us that we NEED you to host, How come this thread has gone for 300 pages without you?

How many pages out of those 300 can you make out of all the "hey can somebody host?" posts that were made as time went on?

Second, I was in your server few times, I noticed that there were a lot of people there (32-35), too much to handle and many were griefing.
I also noticed that when you placed the server down, many of them went to the goon servers (Connection? I don't know)

Yeah, I'll be preparing the source so I can give out the host files, for those of you that want nothing to do with my server and those of you that want to host private servers.

Third, When one of us mentions something like "We Bay12'ers"
Why do you latch on to it? As it has been said, we are not a hivemind, we do not act as one, We are unique personalities, we think as unique separate minds, Everyone has their own unique opinion.

I latch onto it because I am forced to. My tiny little human brain isn't capable of perceiving each and every single one of you as individuals, so I have to cope by grouping people together. I am working to defeat this limitation, but I fear it is impossible.

Fourth, We are getting angry at you, you pick out words and try to convert them to somewhat so the thing is easily counterable by just saying few words.

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I loved playing SS13 on B12 servers, but honestly, Now it has just gone downhill.

I agree.

In my opinion, the server admin/master/coder whatever, I think he needs to listen to the public.
You removed the pull command and replaced it with grab:
Few guys disliked.
Admin application form:
Few guys disliked.

Listening to the public can be a bad idea sometimes. The pull-to-grab is a perfect example of this: it has to be done because otherwise the game will become unbalanced, yet people don't like it because they liked the convenient "pull" verb.

As for the application form: unless you're Tp you have no right to yell to me about that at the moment.

24/7 Is not anything good if no-one can handle it.
There are simply not enough admins to moderate the area.

Hence the form.

What is that supposed to mean? I always enjoyed your server, save for the weird bugs and changes you made. Like I said, not everyone wants serious RP all the time. I'm not gona fill such a form because you are taking charge of things and I do not want to 'bow down' to you when this is supposed to be a B12 server.

Yeah, it was supposed to be a Bay12 server. Except Johbson, the middleman between Bay12 and myself, ran away. Apparently, some of you aren't willing to run away with him, so I took charge. Would you rather want me to put Nameless in charge?

If Beorn or any other recognized B12 leader where to tell me to fill out such a form or somesuch, I wouldnt mind. But you, you aren't a B12er,

Wait a minute. I did hear someone talk about disliking the goons because of their goon-only stuff. Are you discriminating me because I'm not a regular Bay12 member like the rest of you?

and you certainly wont be trusted after what you have been doing.

If you won't put faith in my ability to command, then that's your deal. I'm in this for the people that do want change, not old goats like yourself who only want a server to play "serious" role-playing on.

There is a difference between 'being on equal terms', and 'taking charge of things and exploiting other people's trust'.

Correct. When I originally joined, I was under the impression that the former would be in effect. Unfortunately, it seems the latter was: I was working my ass off trying to fix them bugs and code in new features, just to have the guy I was supposed to be working with running away and ordering you lot to follow him. And the other guy only abused his powers causing lots of drama.

I'm an "on equal terms" kind of guy, but this was far from equal terms. You guys wanted your rules, and I wanted to compromise between the two. Your leader balked and ran away the moment I did something that didn't fit into his/your (he claimed you all want a "perfect server with 'good' (Johbson appointed) admins) perfect little world, and I was left sitting there with a frowny face because I had just wasted two days working on this Bay12 SS13 thing which was only going to turn out to be crap since I'd either have to give up my work to Johbson or throw it all in the trash.

In fact, despite any of this, I'm still an equal terms person. I'm going to read through those applications and one of the Bay12 admins - the one which is the most valuable and reasonable out of all of this - is going to take over Johbson's old position. That way, there'll be much better communication between the two of our peoples.

... Is this "Form" some kind of joke?

No, it's all pretty serious. There are three purposes for this form:
1) To determine how the Bay12 administrators think and to adapt to that a little.
2) To determine who would be suitable as an administrator.
3) To give those that apply some tips and tricks on administrating.

Data, seriously, I and many others tried to give you a chance and all, but this is plain stupid.

Yeah, must be just as stupid as Johbson's actions. I must be adapting to your self-proclaimed leader already.

You come here to propose to us to let us have a B12 server with your code without any strings attached,

I'm sorry, but I was under the assumption here that we'd all be working together, not that one person would try to be a leader or something.

and then you start alienating the B12 people, you declare Dr. Johbson, our agreed-upon representative and leader and hoster, who we all trust waaaaay more than we will ever trust you, to be going against you wrongly,

Correct; he left all of the sudden without even talking things out with me. The only person Johbson bothered to speak to is Nameless, except he's so untrustworthy that nobody wanted him to be an admin.

you riddle the
server with bugs and features we never wanted/asked for,

Is this still about the pull-to-grab? Cause' that was supposed to happen ages ago. So far I'm all about fixing what's already there.

you abuse (yes, ABUSE) your admin powers to give yourself an advantage ingame,

And? Once I did this, I didn't abuse this advantage to the slightest. But let me ask you: are you playtesting? No? Then that sets us apart, now doesn't it?

and now, you REMOVE ALL B12 ADMINS AND DEMAND THAT THEY FILL OUT A FORM THAT BASICALLY ASKS THEM 'DO YOU LUV DATA AND WILL YOU ALWAYS FOLLOW HIS SUPER-INFLATED EGO NO MATTER WHAT'?

I have no idea which one of you Bay12 admins wants to join and which ones don't. I have no idea how you guys respond to actual situations because only Johbson knows you lot.

Although the form does say "whose authority would you listen to on the server?" it is perfectly acceptable to choose "solo" out of that list. The only reason I put that there is because you might have a better way of running the server than me. It also helps me to catch the ass-kissers.

All I can say now is: GTFHO. Yours isnt a B12 server. You are just exploiting the name. There arent even any B12 admins left for it, and even if there were, you would treat them as your slaves instead of being our 'benefactor'.

Actually, at the very least there's tp, and there's a couple of others too, I believe. And they're not slaves, although I do expect them to abide by rules I set up I'm more than willing to sit at the table and let them decide on a set of rules.

A B12 server should be ruled by B12 people, not an ego-tripping shithead like you.

It's so funny to call me "ego-tripping" even though the only thing I wanted out of this was to be treated as an equal. Instead, both parties involved (Nameless, Bay12) didn't treat me as equals: Nameless just dicked around on the server, and your guy leaves the moment he disagrees instead of talking about it.

Either accept that and give the B12 representative (Johbson, or whoever else is currently considered to be our main administrator) FULL power (Developer admin rank) With NO strings attached and full power to declare whoever they want as admins and to decide any other thing related to the server, or remove the name of B12 from your server.

I might just remove the Bay12 bit from my server. Initially I thought that this was a community which would be similar to the goons in the "working together" aspect, but your leader shares the same madness AZA does: bailing out whenever things don't work out immediately.

EDIT: Just to make it extra clear, I'm in no way ever filling out that form or any other similar thing, on the bases of following my principles.

Okay? Yeah? And? It's obvious that even if you did fill it out for the heck of it, and I accepted you, that you wouldn't bother to come to my server anyway.

I do NOT have to apply for a position I already RIGHTLY have, and a position that can only be given or removed by the people of B12, not some random guy that comes here and claims to want to help us just to rip us off.

Your position is not a position you have by right. If me and Johbson were actually working together I'd be able to say this just fine. The thing is, Johbson ain't around anymore and somebody has to fill those shoes.

The admin list is filled with Bay12 admins, and I don't even know who is who. Perhaps this is the first step to separating the server from Bay12, but it could just as well be the first step to a new beginning.

But one thing is for sure: This would've never happened if Johbson didn't bail out on you guys.

greifing

Griefing. GOD WHY

I'll do that. I'll also make ss13.net more habitable I guess. I'd like it if people used ss13.net, but this thread'll do just fine for the time being.

Unless everyone in Bay12 suddenly starts to revolt. Oh man. That would suck!

I think you seem to be under the impression that you're the only one capable of hosting.

I'm the only one capable of hosting this particular version, yeah.

You're perfectly entitled to host your own server, and I think you'll find that we do have hosts, namely Johbson and Andrea.

They're not even up 24/7. lol!

How do you know if everyone else think its boring?.

When too many people start vandalizing or stuff like that, when there's radio silence and people don't talk that often, when the player count on the server is too low... and so forth.

Seriously stop letting this ass host b12.

Quit being an asshole yourself. Thanks!

-- Data