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Uh... what is it about exactly?
You know, I as a reader could hardly be involved less seeing as this "story" really seems to be a fragment of something bigger promising an intrigue, action, conspiracy theories... And instead it just stops at that. It could work on a larger canvas, but I unfortunately haven't seen it. As it is I can offer a couple of criticisms (however, you following them won't make the story a Pulitzer winner).
First, it seems to be a recurring thing in your stories where you start with some abstract observation from the main character, without really introducing him. I think it starts the reader off in some confusion to the identity of the person into whose head s/he is looking. You know, people do it, but usually when they write in first person. It probably works because the reader is involved in a dialogue and expects everything explained to him in due time because, well, s/he expects her/himself to be talking to a sane person... And even in that case, the amount of information you shove on the reader in the first paragraph is just unfair, and I can't think of any reason for you to do so. The least you could do would be to try and ground the reader first in the physical surroundings of the character musing.
Second, you seem to rush the dialogue too much. So that Strife appears to be an individual with serious psychological problems. Even if Marshall et al. guy is quite intrusive it doesn't seem to be a reason to jump up and start beating the crap out of him. The same for the dialogue. He's too angry too quickly. It could really bear some prelude, Strife to be more professional and subtle, the guy, too.
In short, if you could space and rhythm you dialogue and character to character interactions a bit, it would be much more enjoyable.
Anyway, what's SCP?
Also, you haven't proofread it in one place, and I won't stand for that.
Ah, also
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Relatively loose suit coat, hiding a shoulder holster? “Why the drink?”
Decide whether you are going to have the full access to the main character's mind, or not at all. There is no reason to put the last sentence in quotation marks... But there is a good reason to put a period after "coat".

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So...
Well, it's pretty good. I should think much better than the previous entries.
On the other hand, although I won't deny that I skim most of what I read online, the story had a tint of bad fanfiction to it. After a quick analysis of my feelings, I decided it's because almost all of your sentences have the same structure. He did something. Or at least they begin this way. The protagonist does things. Try varying the sentence structure, and the surroundings should probably do something to complement the protagonists actions. Unfortunately I can't come up with examples right now.

Or maybe not... Well, for the second half my observation is correct.

Edit:
Well, and then I for some reason decided that it would be a good idea to edit the story myself.
That's what I got:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I guess the idea here is that you should look and try to guess why I thought a place should be changed. A hint: mostly it was because of a lack of consistency, or mixed  abstract and concrete ideas. Or redundancy.

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DF Adventure Mode Discussion / Re: Deities and... Immortality?
« on: June 06, 2010, 03:29:22 am »
Well, I fail to see the point of discussion here. And what if he wrote it 20 years ago? Does it offend your ego? And anyway, in that video he says that even if he had written it 20 years ago, he got a lot of influences to develop and change it from his expeditions which happened after the Titanic, which isn't 20 years ago.

As for him being good, that was primarily based on a comment under the video that he had donated for the hole in the bottom of the sea, but then, after watching the video, I saw that he has a vision, you can't really blame a person for being fascinated with visual arts and working in that direction; also he says that he finds the creativity of our nature much greater than that of humankind, and that can be related to Na'vi being derivative.

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DF Adventure Mode Discussion / Re: Deities and... Immortality?
« on: June 05, 2010, 02:00:38 am »
Uh... And now James Cameron turns out to be quite a good and creative guy. My world is ceasing to be black and white, especially since EA, apparently, did a good job with the promotion of Dante's Inferno, and with the game itself... This is somewhat unsettling.
Wait.
I presume this thread has evolved into the realm of free discussion?

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DF Adventure Mode Discussion / Re: Deities and... Immortality?
« on: June 04, 2010, 09:25:23 am »
WARNING -  SELF-RIGHTIOUS RANT - WARNING
As for Warcraft or even Tolkien being some sort of authority, gimme a frikken break! They are just getting material from old myths which themselves were inconsistent. They didn't invent these things and neither did D&D. I understand there are many fans of such works, but they themselves could not exist without the ability to re-imagine these things.

If anything is a problem, it is that there is so little creativity in fantasy. Like if all SF had Klingons and Romulans clearly ripped from Star-Trek, and SF fans argued if every Klingon/Romulan in everything wasn't like the ones in whatever SF they happened to like most at the moment. It is because of stuff like this that fantasy is such garbage compared even to space operas like Star Trek which barely do enough research to be believable to those who stayed awake through half of science class.

TL:DR Stating Tolkien/Warcraft to others as some sort of authority is juvenile nonsense. The closest to a legit source is a messy wad of very inconsistent myths. Not saying debating/discussing them in general is bad, just the claims of authority.
Have you ever noticed how easy it is to work with fantasy? To make a RPG campaign? To play in one? You know the basics of what's there. You know there are elves, and how they work. You know there are dwarves, and how they work. You know there are goblins, and kobolds, and how they work.

Have you ever noticed how hard it is to make something coherent in sci-fi working with others? You have nothing that is standard. No races. Nothing. In order to play a character in a setting, you need to do a CRAPTON of research into their species, their culture, their history, or you will NEVER get it right.

Ever noticed how easy it is to play an Elven character in D&D? It's a template you're familiar with, you know how they work, you've had plenty of exposure to them.

Now, try playing a Sullustan. Good freaking luck.

...And one day Mr. James Cameron decides that he wouldn't mind another couple hundred million dollars. And releases Avatar. And in a month everybody roleplays Na'vi as if they were in all faerie tales their mother used to tell them when they were children...

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It is now autumn.
A burglar has stolen a prepared meal! x20
Bilbo Baggins, a hobbit, has become more experienced!
A dwarf cancels be unhappy at imprisonment: Interrupted by a hobbit! x13
You have discovered a Elven Fortress Water-gate!
A king's butler has passed out from exhaustion.
A chief of the guard has passed out from exhaustion.
A burglar has stolen a stack of prison keys!
A prisoner has escaped! x13
A burglar has stolen a prepared meal!
Bilbo Baggins, a burglar, has become ill.
Bombur, a fatso, has passed out from exhaustion.
Dori, a dwarf, has passed out from exhaustion.
Nori, a dwarf, has passed out from exhaustion.
Ori, a dwarf, has passed out from exhaustion.
Oin, a dwarf, has passed out from exhaustion.
Gloin, a dwarf, has passed out from exhaustion.
You have discovered the Lake Town!
A Lake-town guard cancels attend a party: Interrupted by a dwarf! x10
The Lake Town Master cancels attend a party: Interrupted by a dwarf!
A Lake Town citizen cancels attend a party: Interrupted by a dwarf! x134
Thorin "Oakenshield", a dwarf, has become a legend!
The Lake Town citizens have begun a party. x15
You have discovered the Lonely Mountain!
You have discovered the Desolation of the Dragon!
You have discovered the ruins of Dale!
You have discovered the Main Gate!
A dwarf has lost spirit. x13
You have discovered the Secret Door!
Bilbo Baggins, a burglar, has become more experienced!
A dwarf has lost spirit. x13
A hobbit has lost spirit.
It is the Durin's Day now!
You have discovered the Secret Passage!
Bilbo Baggins, an experienced burglar, cancels scout: Too afraid!
You have discovered Smaug, a dragon!
You have discovered the Smaug's hoard!
Bilbo Baggins, an experienced burglar, cancels scout: Enchanted!
A burglar has stolen a Masterpiece Golden Cup!
Group has begun a party.
Smaug, a dragon, has become enraged!
A dwarf cancels attend a party: Interrupted by a dragon! x12
A pony has been struck down! x5
Smaug, a dragon, and Bilbo Baggins, an experienced burglar, have begun a conversation.
Smaug, a dragon, has calmed down.
You have discovered the Smaug's weak spot!
Smaug, a dragon, has become enraged!
Bilbo Baggins, an experienced burglar, has passed out from exhaustion!
An artifact Secret Door has been destroyed by a dragon!
Smaug, a dragon, has calmed down.
The Lake Town cancels life: Interrupted by a dragon!
Smaug, a dragon, has become enraged!
There is a fire in the city! x13
A guard cancels fight: Fleeing! x54
Bard, a captain of the guard, cancels be desperate: Interrupted by a thrush!
Bard, a captain of the guard, has launched an artifact blackwood arrow!
Smaug, a dragon, has been struck down!
Bard, a captain of the guard, has become a dragon slayer!
The Lake Town has been destroyed!
A dwarf cancels wait: Starving for air! x13
Bilbo Baggins, an experienced burglar, cancels wait: Starving for air!
Bilbo Baggins, an experienced burglar, cancels scout: Enchanted!
A burglar has stolen the Arkenstone, a dwarven artifact!
Thorin "Oakenshield", a dwarven legend, has begun a conversation with Roäc, a raven elder.
The Lonely Mountain, a dwarven civilization, have sent an embassy to the The Dwarves of the Iron Hills, a dwarven civilization.
The winter is upon you!
An embassy of elves and men has arrived!
An embassy of elves and men has arrived!
Thorin "Oakenshield", a dwarven legend, has begun a conversation with Bard, a dragon slayer.
An embassy of elves and men has arrived!
The Lonely Mountain, a dwarven civilization, has become an enemy of the Lake Town, a human civilization.
The Lonely Mountain, a dwarven civilization, has become an enemy of the Wood Elves, a elven civilization.
An elven guard cancels hold watch: Interrupted by a burglar! x5
Bilbo Baggins, an experienced burglar, has begun a conversation with Bard, a dragon slayer, and the Elvenking, a king.
An embassy of elves and men has arrived!
Thorin "Oakenshield", a dwarven legend, has become dumbstruck!
Thorin "Oakenshield", a dwarven legend, has become enraged!
Bilbo Baggins, an experienced burglar, has become an enemy of Thorin, a dwarven legend.
The host of the Dwarves of the Iron Hills has arrived!
The Dwarves of the Iron Hills, a dwarven civilization, has become an enemy of the Lake Town, a human civilization.
The Dwarves of the Iron Hills, a dwarven civilization, has become an enemy of the Wood Elves, a elven civilization.
It is dark now.
The host of the Goblins of the North has arrived!
The host of the Wargs has arrived!
The Dwarves of the Iron Hills, a dwarven civilization, has become an ally of the Lake Town, a human civilization.
The Dwarves of the Iron Hills, a dwarven civilization, has become an ally of the Wood Elves, a elven civilization.
The Battle of Five Armies has begun!
A elf has entered a martial trance! x251
A dwarf has entered a martial trance! x341
A human has entered a martial trance! x419
A goblin has been struck down! x15
A warg has been struck down! x20
A elf has been struck down! x8
A goblin has been struck down! x34
A warg has been struck down! x31
A dwarf has been struck down! x11
A human has been struck down! x2
An ambush! Curse them!
A elf has been struck down! x50
The Lonely Mountain, a dwarven civilization, has become an ally of the Lake Town, a human civilization.
The Lonely Mountain, a dwarven civilization, has become an ally of the Wood Elves, a elven civilization.
Thorin "Oakenshield", a dwarven legend, has entered a martial trance!
A dwarf has entered a martial trance! x12
A goblin has been struck down! x26
A warg has been struck down! x8
A dwarf has been struck down! x30
A elf has been struck down! x7
A human has been struck down! x10
The host of Giant Eagles has arrived!
Bilbo Baggins, an experienced burglar, has been knocked out.
The Battle of Five Armies has ended!
Bilbo Baggins, an experienced burglar, has begun a conversation with Thorin "Oakenshield", a dwarven legend.
Bilbo Baggins, an experienced burglar, has become a friend of Thorin "Oakenshield", a dwarven legend.
Thorin "Oakenshield", a dwarven legend, has passed away!
Dain has become the King Under the Mountain!
Bilbo Baggins, an experienced burglar, has become downcast.
Gandalf "the Grey", Bilbo Baggins, Beorn and the Elven host have left on their journey!
Bilbo Baggins, an experienced burglar, has become a friend of Wood Elves, the elven civilization.
The Elven host has turned towards Mirkwood.
It is now spring.
Gandalf "the Grey" and Bilbo Baggins have left on their journey.
Bilbo Baggins, an experienced burglar, is back again!

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http://www.ece.uwaterloo.ca/~dwharder/Personal/Hobbit/
Supermikhail has become more experienced.
Supermikhail has passed out from exhaustion.

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Creative Projects / Re: Through Hell
« on: May 22, 2010, 01:43:46 pm »
AAAARGH!!! BLASPHEMY!!! INFIDELS!!! BOOZE AND CARP!!!

You seriously need to reconsider your goals in life if you haven't read the Lord of the Rings yet. I... pff... it's...
PREPOSTEROUS!!

Alright, with that out of the way, I still find a flaw with the system.
So, you say that gods are innately connected with a universe, I understand, sort of like yolk and white of an egg. Still, they roam to and fro, get forced out and destroyed, or move into other universes. I should think that if the gods left a universe, the equilibrium would be disrupted, and the universe would have a high chance of having a premature doomsday, and that, in turn, would make the gods feel not cozy at all... Right?

Now, about the kick. Tolkien's world was basically the work of his life, and what helped was that it was connected very closely with his main occupation (he taught English, iirc... that is, languages were in his daily routines), so, I'd say the kick was quite constant. Plus, he was deep into religion, or so I've heard... So, see if you have that kind of drive about this world, or, maybe, it's just the sense of awesome an inspiration among many?

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Creative Projects / Re: Through Hell
« on: May 22, 2010, 02:12:16 am »
Well, that goes to show that the idea of a protagonist sacrificing his soul at the end of the journey is not so unique...
I'm not a big fan of gods, but your approach probably puts you closer to Tolkien. Also, it kind of looks like your thought processes are influenced by video games. All these creature descriptions are good, but remember that we are mainly going to be meeting personalities, not looks.
Also, why do other universes' gods need to invade this one? Don't they have their own domains to take care of?... It looks like the mythology is this-universe-centered.

On a different note, if you keep developing your world (a.k.a. procrastinating) and the story, mentally, you risk never writing it. I know, Tolkien took 20 years with LOTR but developing the world (but mostly languages) was his main goal, so he got a kick out of it. I believe your goal is a complete story, so you'd be wise to hold off on non-essential elements, and put more into the story itself.
For example, think about how is one able to sacrifice one's soul to destroy something? One cannot kill oneself because it would just release the soul? Is it some kind of a ritual?
You want to think about a plan of what the army does on their journey across the plane. It's good to talk about their slow movement and constant losses, but when you come to the writing, you'll have a hard time devising your next turn of events (possibly for a simple reason of not knowing which character you can afford to kill heroically in the following battle, and which character can be useful later).
In short, keep your priorities straight.

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BIlbo being an enemy of gollum is quite correct. Gollum hates Bilbo to the extent that

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Beorn came VERY close to losing it with all the interruptions.

I meant who's whose enemy. Especially in relation to DF announcements. And whether in DF announcements it matters - can one entity be hostile to another while the opposite isn't true?

As of Beorn's rage:

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<...>"Well, now there arefifteen of you; and since goblins can count, I suppose that is all that there were up the trees. Now perhaps we can finish this story without any more interruptions." Mr Baggins saw then how clever Gandalf had been. The interruptiions had really made Beron more interested in the story, and the story had kep him from sending the dwarves off at once like suspicious beggars.
<...>"A very good tale!" said he. "The best I have heard for a long while. If all beggars could tell such a good one, they might find me kinder. You may be making it all up, of course, but you deserve a supper for the story all the same. Let's have something to eat!"
<...>

Well, to me Beorn sounds completely pleased, that is quite the opposite of enraged. I know he growls before that when the dwarves come in, but it seems to me more from impatience to hear the rest of the story than hard feelings.

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Hmm....

So, I've finally got my hands on a copy of The Hobbit. I haven't got past Mirkwood, in fact, barely past Beorn, but I've noticed that some events here aren't exactly correct. For example:
<...>
Bilbo Baggins, Burglar has become an enemy of Gollum.
You have discovered a Goblin Caves' Back-door!
Goblin Guard cancels Train: Interrupted by Burglar! x15[/b]
Goblin Guard cancels re-capture a prisoner: Job item lost or misplaced! x15
Goblin Guard has become confused x15
Bilbo Baggins, a hobbit, has become stuck!
Bilbo Baggins, a Hobbit, has popped out!

Goblin Guard cancels search for a prisoner: Too sun-sick! x15
Gandalf Cancels Argue: Interrupted by Burglar
Dwarf Cancels Argue: Interrupted by Burglar
x13
Gandalf Cancels Argue: Interrupted by Burglar
Dwarf Cancels Argue: Interrupted by Burglar
x13
A Hobbit is no longer in hiding
Group Cancels Run: Interrupted by a Warg pack
Warg cancels attend a meeting: Interrupted by a Dwarf!
x13
Warg cancels attend a meeting: Interrupted by a Hobbit!
Warg cancels attend a meeting: Interrupted by a Wizard!

An ambush! Curse them!
Gandalf "The Grey", a wizard, has made a masterpiece enchanted spark-bomb! x6
Warg cancels hold council: Interrupted by magical fire! x235
Warg has become enraged! x235
A warg has burned to death x34
A warg champion has burned to death x16
An ambush! Curse them!
Group cancels mock: Interrupted by a goblin raiding party!
A goblin cancels attend a party: Interrupted by Giant Eagles. x223
Goblin cancels gloat: Job item lost or misplaced x223
Warg cancels howl: Job item lost or misplaced x185
Warg has been struck down by a Giant Eagle x13
Goblin raider has been struck down by a Giant Eagle x9
You have discovered a Giant Eagle Eyrie!
Gandalf "The Grey" has begun a conversation with a Eagle Lord.
the Civilization of Giant Eagles has become a friend of  the Lonely Mountain, a dwarven Civilization.
the Civilization of Giant Eagles has become a friend of Bilbo Baggins.
Gandalf "The Grey", a wizard, has begun a conversation with Beorn, a skin-changer.
Gandalf "The Grey", a wizard, cancels converse: interrupted by dwarf x 2
Gandalf "The Grey", a wizard, has begun a conversation with Beorn, a skin-changer.
Gandalf "The Grey", a wizard, cancels converse: interrupted by dwarf x 2
Gandalf "The Grey", a wizard, has begun a conversation with Beorn, a skin-changer.
Gandalf "The Grey", a wizard, cancels converse: interrupted by dwarf x 2
The Honey Menace, a bear war-party, has returned from a mission with success!
Beorn, a skin-changer, has become a friend of the Lonely Mountain, a dwarven Civilization.
Beorn, a skin-changer, has become a friend of Gandalf "The Grey", a wizard.
Beorn, a skin-changer, has become a friend of Bilbo Baggins, a hobbit.
The dwarven expidition has left on it's journey
<...>

At least in the 1999 paperback edition I've got here, Beorn doesn't become enraged, and is in fact, quite amused by the story.
I'm not sure who's the object and who's the subject when there is an announcement like "Bilbo Baggins, Burglar has become an enemy of Gollum.", but depending on the relationship, it may need to be changed, as Bilbo Baggins felt his famous pity towards the Gollum then.

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Creative Projects / Re: Away.
« on: May 17, 2010, 11:29:53 am »
Should I... Ah, I already did.

Anyway, first. I'm aware of this rule of Internet grammar about blank paragraphs, but I was kind of caught in the flow of thoughts and forgot about it. Corrected now.

Second. I've mentioned it in my previous post, but it seems that I need to state it explicitly.

That explanation was a way to be fair with you. For me, knowing the author, his experience behind a work and his intentions, is a natural part of appreciation of his creation. Partially because the personalities and the life stories of my favourite authors (or musicians) are as interesting as their works. Partially because this way I can insure that there is some substance to the piece... I just don't want to read or listen to something mindless, made without effort and care... I wish I could be more clear.
Well, and you see, if it's important for me, it would be kind of hypocritical to hide from you the details behind the first post.

Third. I really must thank Pathos for making a first reply. ;)

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Creative Projects / Re: A writing and drawing request thread
« on: May 15, 2010, 02:25:02 am »
Uh. Unexpected real-life problems. Well, the time hasn't been wasted, at least I think so. The plot's been there for over a week, but the narrative needed me to read one book...
Some time on the week, hopefully (I know, I promised one week per request... but that was an interesting time for me to find out what people mean when they say "it's a hobby" about what they do on the Internet).

Actually, in the light of recent realizations on my part I should probably go and edit the OP.

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Creative Projects / Re: Away.
« on: May 12, 2010, 03:04:36 pm »
Uh, the OP here.

I've recently discovered that for me it's very important to know who are the people that are behind my favourite works (be it music, film or literature), so I thought it'd be right for me to reveal finally why the hell I made this thread and what my previous post means.

Well, the answer is kind of simple. That passage was intended by me as an introduction for a story that I was going to write, and didn't have any meaning beyond a simple recounting of some event in the story. The way it was posted was really an experiment, and I hope no one is going to have anything against me for being made a participant of it against their will. The goal of the experiment was to find out how much attention a lone, unexplained (and hopefully, mysterious) thread could attract.

Well, I take the results of the experiment to be very promising, although I acknowledge that a large part of the discussion wasn't about the first post. But in any case, based on these results I've got a suggestion to any forumites that might be intending to post their literary works for critique on the forums. If you see promise in your creation, do not add any explanation to it. And partially because, having read a number of threads where authors seek criticism, and having made a couple myself, I suspect that most authors sound just whiny this way. After all, if you're looking for critique from other people, you are supposed to have found no flaws with your work yourself, or at least no ways to correct it. It's good enough for you, so have courage to show it as a fruit of creativity and toil (also, critique as the intended purpose takes much away from the immersion, I think, and your readers might find flaws where otherwise they would have slipped by, consumed by the narrative).

That was my one point. The other point is who I am who dared to impose his riddles on you with his thread.

It'd be easier to answer it, relating the answers to some of your opinions on the meaning of the first post.
As I said, the passage (or, as some have called it, a poem, although it was not composed as such, even if it may share some traits of structure with poetry) didn't have any meaning beyond narration. And so, no sexuality. I think I wouldn't even dare to bring such matters in my writing here. I'm not a man as free with it as some, probably due to some extent to my provincial Russian origins, where I like to think we're still a bit medieval. And in large part due to my religious issues. Until a couple of years ago I, having been brought up as an orthodox christian, had a big torment within me, as I tried to bring together my religion and my body. In the end, the latter won. But even if now I try to have sexuality in my speech it usually sounds awkward. To it adds the fact that I've had no success with women. So, you wouldn't get very mature writing if I wanted to bring up sexuality.

Another opinion was about war. Well, other things I brought from my religious torment and other experiences are some pessimism, fatalism and misanthropy (or people, probably, would call them that). So, I do not say that violence is the answer, but on the other hand - and it could probably make me very unpopular here - I think that WWII was over half a century ago, and if it were Middle Ages we would already be commemorating the end of some plague in place of WWII's end; that people die every day and despite all the wars we get more and more populous, to the point of a crisis; that in the end everything turns to dust, and dust rules the universe, not man, and such small matters as wars do not make even ripples on it.

So, no, I wouldn't push my opinion on war strongly in my writing.

But now, what? The passage has no subtle meaning, no magic? No. I just thought the wording, the style would catch the reader's eye, entice him or her to read further, I felt that the reader needs something unusual. Yet, I've found that the story itself was quite ordinary, and what's worse, didn't fit my current opinions. It was a thing that I made up as a teenager, and thought it was quite epic. No I think that epic is not enough.

So, I'm leaving the passage the way it is, and strip it of its further story... See? If you liked it, I give it to you as a present. If it fits well onto your anti-war banner, let the cries be of innocent civilians. If you're planning a small-scale sexual revolution, let the flaming spear... be whatever you... desire. Even in my mind I'm stripping it of its background, so it may be that crystal-clear stream of thought some in this thread have wished it to be.

Anyway, this is the explanation, and I hope I've made piecewise happy with it.
Now I'm tired and need to sleep.

P.S. Well, that final bit went a little out of hand. Got a little too self-congratulatory, it seems. But you've gotta finish on a high note.

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Creative Projects / Re: Useful/Fun/Interesting Program database
« on: May 10, 2010, 03:47:19 am »
Love adventure, but too lazy?

Ah, Adventure adventure, not Adventure adventure!

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Creative Projects / Re: Useful/Fun/Interesting Program database
« on: May 08, 2010, 06:21:32 am »
Download links are borked
In what regard? I, at least, have been able to download from the asfreeware site... Oh, crap, I can't even try to run it, it seems, due to Ubuntu policy, which has apparently changed at the last upgrade... Well, I, probably, lose this thread, then.

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