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Mafia / Re: Mafia and Masons and Hackers - Game Over!
« on: February 27, 2013, 10:04:49 am »
Damn. Damn. Damn. I knew ZU could be mason, (as I knew Toaster and Vector were definitely town). I should have seen this coming and lynched Tiruin instead of Hapah. I guess I panicked at the late hour and didn't think it through enough. I knew once Dariush died that I was pretty much doomed.

Two things:

One, Vector is good at reads, so kudos.

Two, although I was using it nefariously, I did actually compile an excel spreadsheet of votes and by looking at where they fell I was able to rule out several players as masons, and my technique legitimately showed Dariush to be guilty.

I only wish I'd had more analytical scumbuddies.

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Mafia / Re: BM XXXVIV: Arcane Mafia - Day 1: Murder
« on: February 27, 2013, 02:34:36 am »
Borno, I'm reading you as cabal here. Could you tell me what you think should be the primary basis for making a proper lynch vote? (As opposed to merely a pressure vote or random-vote-stage vote). To answer this question:

Roleblocker or Godfather, and why.

Godfather. Although Roleblocker would be more fun to play (as you get to make an extra decision every day), Godfather is probably more useful throughout the game, whereas roleblocker only really starts to be useful towards the end of the game. To be honest, the existence of Godfather is mostly for town's detriment rather than scum's benefit: from experience playing as a cop in the last BM, town cops are filled with doubt when they get back a town read and there is no reassuringly dead godfather to put at rest the doubts.

Remuthra, how would you characterise the typical playstyle, or 'meta', that you encountered playing mafia elsewhere and how does it differ from the general style here at Bay12?

Spaghetti, is there ever a right time to tunnel another player? Is this an acceptable scumhunting technique?

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Mafia / Re: BM XXXVIV: Arcane Mafia - Day 1: Murder
« on: February 27, 2013, 02:20:16 am »
Magister NQT relaxes in his chair whilst the other wizards argue back and forth, more profane than arcane. Finally, a decided "Ahem!" emanates from the folds of his voluminous beard and he takes out his pipe and starts pacing the room.

"I have observed you all, and cast the runes and here at last is the demonstrables of my ponderances..."


The Post With All The Reads
I have read through the thread and made copious notes and here are my preliminary reads:

Soldier: Bona fide I'll-eat-my-own-hat-if-he's-not town. Town-tells include: swiftly rescinding random vote, following up missed questions and lurkers, pulls up others on their lack of scum hunting. Owns up to his own mistakes. Null tells: he's an enthusiastic and competent player.

Remuthra: Weak scum. Scum tells include: standoffish scum hunting technique at the start, following IC lead on Borno, short posts, flail attacks. Null tells: Inexperienced, sense of humour, doesn't have a villainous personality, his play style is going to be hard to read as he has experience in a very different mafia culture.

Superblast: Essentially null. Scum tells include: possibly a wagon-hopper, mild Vizzini overtones. Town tells include: suspecting Borno. Null tells: flailing newb, very jokey, sometimes genuinely funny.

Captain Ford: Mild town. Town tells include: performs keen analysis, is fair when it comes to recognising pressure votes, suspects Borno. Scum tells: stands by even the slightly dubious Superblast content. Null tells: forgot about me.

Nerjin: Nullish. Scum tells include: uses votes to lays into newbs for newbishness. Town tells: Gives honest looking appraisal of other players when asked. Null tells: serious, doesn't look to be on the same team as Soldier.

Spaghetti: Null to mild scum. Scum tells include: doesn't believe in questioning everyone, vote hops. Town tells include: swiftly rescinds random vote when the target is wagoned by others. Null tells: random approach to doctoring.

Borno: Scum city, population Borno. Scum tells include: over-speculation bordering WIFOM, Bandwagoned Nerjin in the RVS, anti-logic, unvoted Nerjin after reasonable response only to jump back on the Blastwagon, very defensive when prodded mid-game, jumps on the Remuthra train with dubious reasons, unvotes when grilled, worried about being lynched in his sleep. Town tells: extends. Null tells: appears to have some experience, aggressive.

Shakerag: Null. Town tells: follows up other players missed questions and lurking. Scum tells: appeared to bandwagon Remuthra in the RVS, (but for admittedly good looking reasons). Null tells: can be a good IC, rational, crypto-aggressive.

IronyOwl: Null, leaning town. Scum tells: lurks like it's going out of fashion. Null tells: lurking is Owl's general playstyle, genuinely nice, has a sense of humour, rational, probably actually busy. Town tells: suspects Borno.

Questions and Answers Coming Soon.

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Mafia / Re: Viva la Revolucion! Week 3, Day 1 - Planning Mode
« on: February 27, 2013, 12:07:51 am »
Sure. I didn't want to push my specific advice too hard in case I got a 'Well if that's what NQT wants to do, let's do the exact opposite!' kind of response, but since you asked, here goes:

My Confirmed Rebels:
NQT  - I know what my role PM said.
Ford - The game is in the bag for the spies, they just have to kick back and upvote any team with one of them in. They certainly have no need to put in the tremendous effort that you've put into scum hunting and solid analysis.

Everyone else I'm wavering on. I thought Toaster was legit near the beginning of the game and now I'm not quite as sure. I thought Nerjin was a spy at the beginning and now I think he could just be frustrated rebel. LS is making the right noises but we'd be insane to put him forward a third time when the previous two teams failed. ZU I'm reading as sketchy as hell. Tiruin actually has a slight bonus in his favour in that he down-voted a scummy team before. Toonyman seems reasonable, but I'm not 100% convinced. Dariush I just don't know.

An obvious scum tactic would be to try to only put one spy per team, so it wouldn't be surprising if there's a spy among the people that haven't played yet. As such, I'd advise against sending both Nerjin and Toonyman.

I would upvote the following unless someone gives me a compelling reason why it's a bad idea:

Ford
NQT
Toaster
Toonyman

I'd be the first to admit that I haven't given this game nearly as much attention as I'd have liked, so I'd trust your reads a lot more than mine right now.

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Your TolyK point reeks of WIFOM.
It's possible I didn't explain it fully as my TolyK point should be self-evident to everyone and was remarked upon by Ford at the time:

The best reason for scum to pick Tolyk? It denies the town an informative lynch. It's why you still want to lynch me. You don't have any more information now than you did yesterday.

He was absolutely correct: voting TolyK gave town no information so they still went ahead and mislynched Ford, playing into scum's hands.

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I guess being almost lynched makes NQT get brave.
Toaster, the mason claims have been likely and around for ages. The ideal time for scum to make use of them and kill a mason is when they can be sure that someone else will take the fall. It's similar to why scum killed TolyK: they knew that the town vote would then fall on Ford. Two for the price of one.

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Mafia / Re: Viva la Revolucion! Week 3, Day 1 - Planning Mode
« on: February 26, 2013, 09:27:25 pm »
Ford
Toonyman, on my honour as a scholar and a gentleman, I am not a spy. May my name be forever vilified and cursed and untrusted on this mafia forum if I should be found to be lying now. Is there any other person here that would stake their honour on this matter?
I'll take that. I wouldn't make a play like this, but I know you're the kind of fool that would. And I'm pretty certain you wouldn't play this card if you were already on the verge of winning.

I was on the verge of recommending you for this mission already, on the basis that you haven't been faking your lack of knowledge about the game. Your latest post is just the capstone for me.
Thanks for seeing clearly on this point. I think our chances are slim, but I know that the best thing I can do for the game as a rebel is to be on the next team.

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Of course, if you are lying, then next game the gloves are really coming off.
This is totally fair. You won't regret this!

Nerjin
Y'know what? Do whatever you want Ford. If you're really willing to risk the entire game because someone said "I pinky swear" than go right ahead.
It's more than that Nerjin. I'm being honest and forthright in a way that a spy cannot afford to be. Do I see you being able to make such a claim? You're just digging yourself deeper buddy.

Toaster
Toonyman, on my honour as a scholar and a gentleman, I am not a spy. May my name be forever vilified and cursed and untrusted on this mafia forum if I should be found to be lying now. Is there any other person here that would stake their honour on this matter?
Nobody No one with sense cares.
I care and that's what matters here. I'm staking my reliability as a player in general on this point. It doesn't matter to me whether other people say they care about trustworthiness- I care.

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Mafia / Re: Viva la Revolucion! Week 3, Day 1 - Planning Mode
« on: February 26, 2013, 06:31:34 pm »
Been out all day- will post soon  :)

Pfp

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Other Games / Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead
« on: February 26, 2013, 08:47:12 am »
Another quick question: last night I fought off endless waves of zombies with a nail gun- does it make a loud noise like guns do and does it use the firearms skill?

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Other Games / Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead
« on: February 26, 2013, 07:04:09 am »
I can see the reasoning a bit better now- but would it be all that hard to implement a morale loss every time you kill an animal?

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Other Games / Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead
« on: February 25, 2013, 07:18:22 pm »
Thanks!

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Other Games / Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead
« on: February 25, 2013, 07:03:43 pm »
Thanks for the lawnmower advice. How do you access the build-car screen?

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Mafia / Re: Viva la Revolucion! Week 3, Day 1 - Planning Mode
« on: February 25, 2013, 06:50:00 pm »
Are you... serious? I'm sorta amused at the gesture but this equates to "Take my word on it."
I could not be more serious. It's more than just taking my word for it: I am playing in a number of games at the moment and I'm very likely to play in many more games in future here. I'm staking my reputation on this point: I am not a spy. Can you say the same thing?

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@Glyph: This game is incredibly unbalanced towards spies. Without any way to be sure of it it's basically just a waiting game unless the spies do stupid things. Maybe power-roles would help in the future yeah?
Could not agree more.

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Other Games / Re: Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead
« on: February 25, 2013, 06:44:42 pm »
Also, unrelatedly, how do you take apart lawnmowers?

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