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Hmm... you're doing exams which means you're studying. Or you want us to think you're studying. And if you want us to think you're studying then you want us to think highly of your intellect. A member of the scum team would want us to think lower of their intellect, and so claiming to be a student looks pro-town. But if you were scum then you would know that this looks pro-town and so claiming that you have midterms is a scum move. Furthermore, the term 'midterm' is an American term and Americans are not known for their dizzying intellect, and only scum would pretend to be stupider than they actually are. I'm on to you ZU: the battle of wits has begun!

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100% mislynch record
It would be pretty weird if I had anything but in a game where no scum have been lynched so far. Don't you agree, NQT?
I can see how you might have misinterpreted that line. What I meant is that at the end of every day, your vote has gone on the main lynch target and every time that person has been innocent. This is true for Tiruin as well. Everyone else's final vote of the day has been for other people that didn't get lynched on at least one of the days. Now, I'm not accusing you outright, because you'd have to be a pretty dumb scum to be that obvious.

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It's not intended as a bandwagon, Dariush, it's a pressure vote. If I'm not satisfied that Toaster is scum I will unvote like I did with TZZ. The vote record method is not bullshit and it's beginning to show results. I argued that Ford and TZZ were most likely not scum with reference to voting patterns and to everyone's surprise but my own they weren't scum. By its metric, you're pretty damn suspicious Dariush, having a 100% mislynch record. You've either got bad luck, bad judgement or you're scum.
(Not to speculate into scum hands, but that said, if Tiruin is half-lying then your consistent block-voting with him could indicate that you're both masons.)

Thanks for the link, Hapah, trawling through 35 or so pages to find an argument can be a bit of hassle. I can see why you'd want to move away from the meta-discussion, so is your suspicion now mostly based on the fact Toaster didn't try to clear up "misconceptions or draw any new conclusions"?

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Toaster's vote record suggests possible scum, as I'd argued before, and we haven't heard very much from that shiny kitchen appliance of late. What do you specifically see, Hapah?

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Asmel



Asmel squinted through the springtime haze. This was it, Gateivory. He didn't see no gate and Moldath be damned there was no ivory. All he saw were three blood-stained bridges. It started to rain.



There were three others that came with him but he knew not their names. The first dwarf he saw was the mayor, the muscle-bound Tulon who shook his hand.

"Welcome, welcome, welcome, to Gateivory!" said Tulon.

"Well met!" said Asmel, coming in from the rain. "You will find that I am a talented bone worker: I can't wait to get stuck in."

"I'm sure you'll get stuck in soon enough," said Tulon, a little darkly. "If you're interested in bone crafting then do speak to Udil."

The fort was a cavernous series of rooms cut into the rock above a treacherous canyon. Asmel wrinkled his nose to see corpses strewn about the corridors, miasma seeming to cling to the very walls of the fort.

"Och, I wouldnae worry about that laddie," said Lokum, a passing Armorer. "Was nae wanna ours. Prolly a trader."

"Does this happen often?" asked the bone-carver, rubbing the back of his shaven head.

"Aye, but you'll be glad of it an no mistake," replied Lokum with a wicked gleam in his eye.  "Yer first task is to help us clear up the dead in the canyons. I heard a wagon loada sewer brew got dropped down there!"

After a few days of hauling treasure from the canyon, he was ready to get some real work done. He was admiring the craft workshop when a small voice piped up behind him.

"Ye'll never be as good as me!"

Asmel turned to see a short, forelorn looking child.

"I don't believe we've had the treasure--- I mean, pleasure?" Asmel said.

"Have you made a pretty? Mother dead. Sister dead. Pretty made!" jabbered the child.

"I'm sorry?"

"PRETTIES! I made that!" shouted the child, pointing to a passing soldier, 'Koboldbane' Kubukkol, who was carrying a bone buckler of such outstanding quality that Asmel wept a single tear. He was not sure if it was from joy or from the realisation that he'd never be a good enough bone-crafter to even attempt making a buckler.

Then he shrugged. The fortress might be grimy and his chances of living more than a few years were slim, but by Anrir's Cerulean Clouds, the dining halls and bedrooms were opulent and the drink was the finest in all the Furnace of Oiling. He was going to enjoy these years.

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Play With Your Buddies / Re: Let's Play The Secret of Loom
« on: February 17, 2013, 06:50:43 pm »


Okay, I went right and tried to open the door. The door was selectable, but Bobbin just says it's closed. Maybe he needs his Distaff? Looks like I can travel right or left from here.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: The Bay 12 Worldbuilding Game
« on: February 16, 2013, 08:43:30 pm »
The goblin that succeeds in this great task joins the pantheon of Fusiliers, worshipped by all goblins no matter their totemic loyalties. All goblins, except the worshippers of the small insectoids that feed on the moss. These believe that more moss would grow if the world was upside down.

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Play With Your Buddies / Let's Play The Secret of Loom
« on: February 16, 2013, 08:34:29 pm »


From the manual:
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In The Secret of Loom you play the role of Bobbin Threepwood, a young boy coming of age in a fantasy Caribbean on the brink of apocalypse. Wielding a legacy of magical knowledge, you will set out across a tropical seascape filled with beauty, danger and excitement, making new friends, solving mysteries, and growing in experience and power as you sail your way toward a destiny of overwhelming consequence.

This is the first screen:



I'm led to believe from a short cut-scene that Bobbin has been stranded on this island after being warped by chaos while in the form of a bird. The manual mentions a Distaff and Book of Patterns that need to be found. We can move around and look at things, but that seems to be the full range of interaction.

Suggestions on what to do next would be greatly appreciated!

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DF Community Games & Stories / Re: Puzzle Fortress -- Challengers Needed
« on: February 16, 2013, 06:05:21 pm »
Bahaha! That's a superb find!

If no other Riddle Masters step forward in the next week, I'll go ahead with some new additions to the Puzzle Fortress.

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Tiruin

First thing, my non-vote-based reads are alongside my vote reads. I've highlighted them in green for your convenience:

Following my patent pending multi-vote scum hunting technique we should turn our gaze now on Tiruin and Dariush. But first a general comment: we've lynched four of our own so far, which is a pretty lousy track record. I want to be a bit more careful before throwing around any accusations. There are eight of us left. I want everyone's reads on everyone else.

Tiruin - I don't know what game he's playing. If he's mason and completely telling the truth then we're doomed. Vote record suggests scum.
Toaster - Vote record leans scum, crypto-lurks with short posts.
Dariush - Vote record leans scum (or taking into account voting blocks, mason), post record show angry strong scum hunting tendencies.
ZU - Vote record suggests town. Legacy arguments from Ford might be worth considering as he was convinced ZU was scum.
Hapah - active playing but standoffish in votes or applying pressure. Essentially a null read, leaning mason.
Obo - Lurker up for replacement. Voted consistently for DS, initially with good reason then later out of laziness. Could be anything.
DS - used to think was scum due to his irrational witch hunt on Ford. Could be mason, if Tiruin is telling the truth.

So, for the third time, can you give me your reads please?

Why did you take my claim point blank? I believe it's pretty obvious where it was coming from - but something seems wrong here.
I'm not taking your claim at face value, I'm just saying hypothetically if you're telling the truth, it was a very bad move for you to make (which I'll explain for everyone below).

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"Vote record suggests..."

How do these suggest anything?
Ugh, do I really have to explain this point every time I post? OK one last time and I hope everyone is reading this because I'm not going to repeat myself.

1. Scum have an interest in lynching team town (i.e. masons and townies, hereafter referred to as 'the good guys')
2. Scum know who the good guys are.

From the lynch vote record we can see who has tried to lynch confirmed good guys. While most lynchers will be innocent, we can spot a pattern in the voting.

3. Only scum have an interest in consistently lynching good guys and the ability to know who is good to lynch
4. Consistently lynching good folk looks suspicious
5. Voting patterns show who looks suspicious

This method got it's first small confirmation with ZZ's lynch. Before I had voted for him, but then I went and had a look at the vote records and they showed that there were much more likely targets than ZZ and so I changed my vote. Low and behold, ZZ was town, as predicted.

I don't what crypto-psychological method you use for hunting scum but I've presented a concrete way to show suspicious activity.

If you don't agree with this method, then tell me how do you hunt scum then? Because all I'm seeing you do is hunting town.

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Also, you love saying my vote on Ford was irrational. How so? Quotes, evidence, examples. You are not going to convince anyone without those.
That's a fair point I guess. Well, I had a look back and here we have some evidence:

On that note, I'm a mason. 8)
You're town, aren't you, Captain Ford?
Still makes no sense why he'd joke around as a Townie.
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Yeah, I can see you still don't get it.
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fa·ce·tious
Treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant.
I didn't choose that word arbitrarily to describe it. It was deliberately and blatantly inappropriate. But I was also making a point when I said.

It was not "just a joke". It was not a serious claim, but I was making a serious point.
Here you claim your "I am a mason" wasn't a joke. Which you repeated quite a bit. Instead you claim you were making a serious point. Tell me, what point would that be.
Here you grill Ford over his (false) mason-claim. His serious point, that Tiruin is proving right now, is that a mason-claim is a null-tell. He made this pretty clear.

I won't judge you overly for questioning Ford's motivations at the time, you weren't to know he was town. Maybe jumping on him wasn't so much irrational, but over-zealous. Ford was just an honest townie trying to defend what he saw as a ridiculous attack on someone who he read as a fellow townie. That was all back on page ten so I think we can all probably move on from there. I'm sorry for calling your vote irrational, I should have said 'misplaced' or 'wrongfooted'.

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Stop hiding behind Ford's actions, cases and lynches and do something yourself.
This is unfair: I've been the most active scumhunter out of everyone here by providing a logical basis for choosing targets. How do you think we should be hunting scum? Because however you've been doing it so far has been pretty lousy.



The danger for team town if Tiruin is telling the truth

By popular demand, here is a logically sound argument proving that if Tiruin is telling the truth then the good guys have lost:

Either we day-lynch masons, scum or townies. If Tiruin is telling the truth and people vote accordingly, we don't have the numbers to day-lynch masons, so we'll either try to lynch scum or townies. If we try to lynch scum, they will try to assassinate all the masons and if Tiruin is telling the truth, they will succeed. If they succeed, then it's a 3:2 town/scum game where scum decide ties: in this scenario, town are bound to lose. If we day-lynch town, then only masons will survive, and scum will kill the surviving masons. No matter who we try to lynch, if Tiruin is telling the truth and scum rely on this fact, then team town has lost.

Is that clearer now? I hope for all town's sake you're lying, Tiruin.

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To answer your question- I say 'us' as in Team Town. Is that not acceptable parlance? Also I clearly gave both my vote-based read and my post-based read for everyone. I'd like to hear yours. Was there another question I missed? Also, I'm not doom mongering: if you're telling the truth then we've lost, this should be clear to everyone.

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Following my patent pending multi-vote scum hunting technique we should turn our gaze now on Tiruin and Dariush. But first a general comment: we've lynched four of our own so far, which is a pretty lousy track record. I want to be a bit more careful before throwing around any accusations. There are eight of us left. I want everyone's reads on everyone else.

Tiruin - I don't know what game he's playing. If he's mason and completely telling the truth then we're doomed. Vote record suggests scum.
Toaster - Vote record leans scum, crypto-lurks with short posts.
Dariush - Vote record leans scum (or taking into account voting blocks, mason), post record show angry strong scum hunting tendencies.
ZU - Vote record suggests town. Legacy arguments from Ford might be worth considering as he was convinced ZU was scum.
Hapah - active playing but standoffish in votes or applying pressure. Essentially a null read, leaning mason.
Obo - Lurker up for replacement. Voted consistently for DS, initially with good reason then later out of laziness. Could be anything.
DS - used to think was scum due to his irrational witch hunt on Ford. Could be mason, if Tiruin is telling the truth.

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I've been super busy but here's a micro-update:

Despite the danger and the purple miasma of death that never seemed to leave Gateivory, in the height of spring four strangers came to town. No one knew who they were and they didn't seem to know each other. This is their story...

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Toaster, please try to understand that I'm not saying 'you voted town so you must be scum'. I haven't said that and I won't say that. All I'm saying is scum have an interest in lynching townies so we should be looking critically at the lynch votes. I'm not saying that you're definitely scum or Dariush is definitely scum. I'm just saying you're both worth prodding. Your OMGUS isn't really helping things.

Hapah, you make a good point- scum indeed have an incentive to avoid being seen as bandwagoning. Also, policy lynching lurkers (like obo) is something I argued for before but the others weren't buying it. It is telling though that we've yet to have a proper majority lynch in this game, and I think that's playing into scum hands.

Tiruin, I get what you're saying about the wine in front of you, but what if the scum manipulate you into lynching townies and then take out the masons with impunity? It's a bold move but I think you might have lost us the game.

-pfp-

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Mafia / Re: Mafia and Masons and Hackers - Day Three (9/13) - No escape
« on: February 14, 2013, 09:58:20 pm »
ZZ and Hapah, I notice that, along with Toaster, neither of you have voted yet. As you both joined the game mid-way you might not have realised that all votes are re-set after a lynch. So if you thought you were voting for someone, this is a friendly reminder that you aren't. Remember, if we don't lynch scum, scum win. (Toaster, this crypto-lurking isn't making you look any less scummy.)

Mod, can we have an official vote count/deadline please.

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