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I'll pop in and say that I have witnessed the situation described by Reelya, where someone actively tries to hurt someone knowing that there is a pre-existing bias, and furthermore that this person directly referenced current allegation events in the news as part of their attack. I am not able to give more details.

Well, rationally, this is as "untestable" as the accusations themselves, so I suppose the smart thing to do is to completely disregard it.

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I didn't say the allegations weren't true, i said they were untestable. That's a different thing altogether. And the fact that men are going to be more wary about hiring a woman if lots of women are making public allegations that bring their employers down is just pragmatic realism, it's not bias. It's just a fact. Even if it's 1 in a million chance, less people will hire you if you could destroy them on a whim. That's just an observation, not a value judgement.

You're acting like every allegation results in a media circus. The media do vet the accusers, you know; that's how the Washington Post caught that fake accuser of Roy Moore's planted by Project Veritas to discredit them.

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Lofted trajectories don't intercept as much atmosphere as a regular long-range flight however, so how such missiles would function on a proper long-range flight is anyone's guess. Also, the point of ICBM isn't to get the entire rocket to hit a specific point - that would be a failure. That's not how ICBMs really work.

The point is the multiple stages that detach outside the atmosphere, releasing re-entry vehicles which deliver a working nuclear device to the target, with the right working electronics to detonate it correctly (usually before it collides with the ground). If it just slams into the ground it probably won't detonate at all, that's been the experience of U.S. planes carrying nuclear bombs that have crashed or accidentally dropped bombs - none of them ever detonated, so just hitting the ground in the vicinity of your target isn't really all that likely to cause a proper nuclear detonation.

What you're describing is a MIRV system; the Hwasong-15 need not be, particularly since North Korea doesn't care about SALT's limits on the number of launch systems, and the description of a super-heavy warhead -- singular -- implies it is not. It's a two-stage missile, too, which implies that their second-stage boost motor is doubling as a kicker for the warhead/countermeasure/decoy bus. Given that the terminal phase should be as close as possible to purely ballistic to avoid highlighting mass differences in the decoys, we can surmise that the second-stage trajectory is at least a reasonable proxy of the intended trajectory of the warhead.

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I'm glad he's finally being rejected further.
I wonder if we'll find a reason to attempt to inpeach him soon?

Oh, there's already a reason to attempt impeachment: the midterms. There just hasn't been any one Trump problem big enough for the Republicans to credibly make a show of drawing the line and kicking him out and then campaign on what apolitical bastions of integrity they are. That's partly because Trump has gotten good at generating constant, desensitizing, low-grade outrage, so nothing seems shocking anymore, and partly because Congressional Republican leadership (McConnell, Ryan, etc.) don't have confidence in their ability to push that through and it would look terrible if they failed.

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Do we have any idea as to the CEP of their reentry vehicles? As far as I know, none of their missile tests have included a guided terminal phase.

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The future is terrifying.  I do honestly believe something of this nature is inevitable, unless we find some way to break the correlation between sociopathic greed and positions of power.

Well, there's always making the desire to have a position of power a disqualifying condition for getting one, but government exclusively by the unwilling tends to have weird incentive structures.

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I always understood it as a thing that ignorant people do because they think it makes them seem interesting. I don't understand why they think that about fractions of Native American heritage. When I say I'm 1/8 Polish no one cares.

It also is, and used to be, a white Southern euphemism for having a Black ancestor, so as to avoid the stigma of being a product of miscegenation.

Just in case it wasn't awful enough.
It most certainly is not, at least that I've heard. Plenty of racists and otherwise in my very Southern family and I've never heard that anywhere. Sounds made up or exaggerated in the interest of sensationalism, frankly. Though to be generous, I guess it wouldn't be used that way in my family, which does have NA ancestors.

I think this is upsetting me because actual racists promoting racial purity are running amok. In that context, I'm proud to say I'm of even slightly mixed heritage. I won't let anyone shame me for that. I don't care if they're a conservative racist or a liberal one.

Hey, maybe my fantastically racist Southern grandparents and aunts had different euphemisms from yours; about the only universal one I know is "bless your heart" anyway.

Nobody's trying to shame you for anything. I'm just pointing out that part why so many more people falsely claim Native ancestry and cite vague family lore is this kind of thing, founded on the silly belief that miscegenation is bad and the even sillier belief that Black ancestry is somehow worse in their eyes than any other ethnicity, so if they can't get away with calling themselves pure lily white, they claim their nonwhite ancestors were Native. Yes, some people genuinely have Native American ancestors. You claim to; thanks for sharing. Others just want free stuff or to seem exotic or spiritual, which is stupid. Others genuinely believe they do, even though they don't, in part because it used to be more acceptable to be part-Native than part-Black in circles where that kind of thing mattered, and somewhere along the line people took the euphemism and/or coverup literally. How prevalent that was and still is, I don't know.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 28, 2017, 06:40:23 pm »
More like "kids think there's a Big Brother out there, and this is psychologically bad."
Doesn't the whole idea of Santa knowing naughty children from nice ones do that already? I always just assumed he was omniscient somehow. Don't think it ever stopped me from doing bad things, though - guess I was just a hardcase.

...Now I'm picturing the bloated, red-glowing form of Santa Claus hovering above a tower set in some desolate landscape, rotating to face this way and that ala the Eye of Sauron.

I think part of the idea is it's worse when there's a constant physical reminder you're under constant observation by this slave-driving overlord silently judging all from his polar sweatshop/aircraft hangar, awaiting the day when he is free to roam the Earth at aphysical speeds, break into their homes, and dispense either toys or fuel according to his whim.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 28, 2017, 04:34:34 pm »
It's supposed to be shocking and horrifying and repulsive, because it's trying to get you to either buy it as a joke or show it around your social networks in disgust until it reaches someone who will. This is clickbait made real. "You'll never believe what they turned Elf on a Shelf into!"

Being vociferously outraged and loudly proclaiming how much you'd never do such a thing to your kids to everyone who will listen is exactly what they want you to do, and they thank you for the free publicity.

EDIT: Now just wait for people to buy and publicly destroy them.

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I always understood it as a thing that ignorant people do because they think it makes them seem interesting. I don't understand why they think that about fractions of Native American heritage. When I say I'm 1/8 Polish no one cares.

It also is, and used to be, a white Southern euphemism for having a Black ancestor, so as to avoid the stigma of being a product of miscegenation.

Just in case it wasn't awful enough.

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General Discussion / Re: Science Thread (and !!SCIENCE!! Thread!)
« on: November 28, 2017, 09:29:48 am »
From your perspective, the star exploded, you left (after it exploded, having observed the light from its explosion), and you arrived at their star. From their perspective, given a sufficiently powerful telescope, the sequence of events is reversed: you arrived, you left, and then the star exploded.
Arrive, explode then leave, you meant.

(i.e. To be seen leaving prior to the explosion you observed, you must have observed the explosion by a superluminal method that itself got you moving before the light arrived at your position, if you were directly between star and observer. Even more in advance if you aren't, and from every point equidistant (perpendicular) and further (behind) you additionally need it to be a time-travel-viewer (that predicts things beyond any sort of observable simultaneity) in order to have any chance of of out running the explosion-observation wavefront.)

Yes; apologies for the error.

In any event, it should probably be pointed out that FTL is only problematic when it's FTL relative to an outside observer. You can move between two points at relativistic speeds and experience a shorter trip time than the speed of light would indicate is the minimum, but that's just time dilation and only affects the ship; importantly, everyone will still see you arrive after you left. This is about the point in the discussion, bikeshedding about light cones aside, where someone usually confuses the two.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 27, 2017, 11:48:10 pm »
That's the one. Most of the recipes with odder ingredients I noticed were just a list of ingredients with no quantities or cooking instructions.

I just assumed the quantities are supposed to be flexible to handle local/seasonal variation in ingredients and the lack of instructions just implies that only one of the options available to Roman cooks made sense. They had boiling for tough things, pans for anything small enough to cook via conduction and an oven for large articles. Anything fancier than that, Apicius tends to lay out explicitly.

And smjjames - laser root is another name for silphium, a now-extinct plant the Romans used with great frequency as a flavorant. It was probably related to fennel, but since we don't know it can be hard to know how to handle the substitutes.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 27, 2017, 11:15:56 pm »
A discussion on another forum led me to look into early cookbooks, in the course of which research I discovered a rather famous early Roman cookbook. Looking through the Gutenberg version of a translation, I was not simply surprised at some of the ingredients, but how lacking the instructions for cooking most of them were.

What, Apicius? I've cooked from it before; it makes more sense in practice than on paper, aside from the laser.

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General Discussion / Re: Science Thread (and !!SCIENCE!! Thread!)
« on: November 27, 2017, 10:59:39 pm »
Though technically a warp drive which stretches/compresses the fabric of space isn't a FTL drive in the absolute definition because you aren't physically trying to move faster than light.

People love to bring that up, but that the ship itself is not physically moving faster than light relative to the bubble doesn't mean that the bubble and ship aren't moving at FTL speeds as seen by an outside observer (granted, you don't see the bubble, but still). The bubble is just there to facilitate movement at FTL speeds without dealing with acceleration to/past lightspeed. It's a separate problem.

And yes, seeing an unexploded star that you watched explode breaks causality. In the simplest case, let's say you warp from the exploding star to another faraway star around which your friend orbits. From your perspective, the star exploded, you left (after it exploded, having observed the light from its explosion), and you arrived at their star. From their perspective, given a sufficiently powerful telescope, the sequence of events is reversed: you arrived, you left, and then the star exploded. Causes cannot follow effects. Now, you can see unrelated events happening differently from different perspectives just fine; to return to our exploding star example, let's say we have four stars in a line A-B-C-D and stars B and C explode simultaneously. A would see B explode followed by C; D would see the reverse. That's allowed by physics.

However, if A launches a (subluminal) ship to destroy stars B and C, all the stars will see that ship launch (and arrive) before stars B and C explode. The same cannot be said of a superluminal ship, and that's what breaks causality.

This isn't time travel as portrayed in science fiction, no, because science fiction writers would rather write good stories than physics textbooks.

Regarding light cones, by the way: it's a ball (that is, a solid sphere) at any one time, but it looks like a cone in Minkowski spacetime and that's what matters here. If you were to look at 2d space and display time along the third axis, as you watched the ball expand and move along time its edges would describe the light cone.

EDIT: If you just wink the light on and off, then yes, it's a sphere at any one time, but for our purposes it might help to think of the ball of space that knows you turned the light on rather than the sphere currently experiencing the flash.

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General Discussion / Re: Science Thread (and !!SCIENCE!! Thread!)
« on: November 27, 2017, 10:05:56 pm »
Oh don't worry, it's clearly not hard sci-fi at *all*. It went to a mention of false-vacuum collapse, and then things went somewhat debate-like from there.

Did no one bring up the Alcubierre drive's prohibitive exotic matter requirements?

Or how it's a time machine?

I thought the Alcubierre was a type of warp drive and that it doesn't time travel because it doesn't touch the time dimension or attempt to circumvent relativity?

Causality, relativity, FTL: pick two.

Or, more informatively, anything that lets you travel from inside an event's light cone to outside it necessarily either breaks causality (if you arrive because of something somewhere it hasn't happened yet) or relativity (if you just ignore their frame of reference entirely.)

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