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May or may not be a failure of competence, but still, I'm amazed/ashamed. In my most recent embark, I did some searching with dfreveal, and discovered that the magma sea is down on z-level -58. I want to setup my magma forges/obsidian farm on z-level -15, fed by a pump stack from the magma sea. This comes out to a 43 z-level difference, requiring 3 DWRs, 43 pumps, and a fuckuva lot of scaffolding for punching through the caverns. No fear, dwarven engineering will prevail, my body is ready, etc. I make plans to do it in a 4-phase operation; punch through one cavern and to the next, punch through that cavern, punch down to the magma, then install all the pumps and get them turning. In the middle of phase 2, while I was mining out everything I could see in that cavern, one of my dwarves discovered a magma pipe on z-level -40. 18 z-levels higher than I was planning, I could save 19 pumps and a helluva lot of work. If only I'd known about it earlier, I could have planned for it. As it stands, I'll continue with the original plan. I've got everything dug out for the reactors, most of the pump stack, all I need to do now is finish punching down and get the magma going.

Edit: Not that it matters; for whatever reason this game keeps crashing in late summer, so I'll just let it die and try another world.

I never RPT NEVER use: Animal jobs aside from training; wax working, beekeeper and presser, mainly because I don't do beekeeping; fishing skills likewise; I don't use the HFS, so strand extractors are no good; siege operators and engineers don't help at all; glazers because I never need glazed pots, I use stoneware/glass/rock.

I infrequently use: potash makers, pump operators, wood crafters, and glass makers OR potters, depending on how my fort goes. Exceptions are made for mandates and similar; this is the only time I use trappers and siege engineers.

Short version: 1000% profit only makes elves "very happy", as opposed to "ecstatic".

I traded the elves a zinc cage stuffed with animals, worth about 4000db, for some wood, plants, and thread worth maybe 400db, for admittedly only 3600db profit, about 900%. Still, a deal like that would get the humans or dwarves dancing with ecstasy, but the pointy-ears just want more. It does not help matters that they don't have a helluva lot of stuff I want; all I want are plants and occasionally animals/cloth/thread. On more than one occasion I settled for buying back some of the stuff I sold them just to get them to ecstatic.

Does anybody else have this problem, insatiable trading partners?

I always channel out one tile to expose the magma below. Then I build the Magma smelter or forge so that the solid tile of the workshop (top center for a smelter, left-center or right-center for a forge) fits exactly over the channeled-out tile, and blocks it completely. This allows magma power to the forge or smelter, and also prevents magma creatures from paying an unsolicited visit to my forge area.

QFT. Other than that, I prefer to use a magma reservoir over the magma sea itself, so as to keep more filters between me and the magma monsters, and also to keep more control over the shape/size of the forging area.

Probably a better answer to your question: you have to site the forge/furnace so that one of the 8 outside tiles is over magma, channeling out one of the tiles if necessary.

I will admit to a certain amount of nostalgia for 40d, and I did like actually being able to get sliver barbs/sun berries, wagons, and the dungeon master, but DF2010 and particularly 31.25 are superior in nearly all other respects. Older versions are interesting for digital archaeology, going back and looking at previous versions, but I really will stick with DF2010. I love glass pots, ceramics, caverns, eggs, wool and milk, and hospitals entirely too much to go back.

Found a problem; all the new alloys cannot be made, due to them not being on the PERMITTED_REACTION list for the dwarven or any civ. A simple enough fix; add [PERMITTED_REACTION:NORDIC_GOLD_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GREEN_GOLD_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PURPLE_GOLD_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BLUE_GOLD_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:WHITE_GOLD_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:TITANIUM_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:REDBRASS_MAKING](may or may not also be a typo)
to your entity_default in the section for PERMITTED_REACTION. I believe this will require a world regen.

Quote from: darthbob88 on July 06, 2011, 11:07:22 am

I've got a lye problem. I decided to be clever and make a barrel full of lye; one barrel full of lye takes up less space than an equivalent number of trees, ash bars or potash bars, and I can make potash/pearlash or soap easily enough. The problem is, I apparently can't use any of it; "potash from lye" jobs cancel because they need a lye bearing item, despite the presence of a damned barrel of lye, though I can make soap for some strange reason. Halp? What do?

in that barrel is there perhaps dreaded MILK or WATER? if so you have a barrel full of useless lye.
unless it's a lie and there a way to use the lye.

horrible pun.
However you could solve trying to dump and reclaim the barrel.
if it doesn't work look for burrows problem, closed door or pathfinding.

I've seen the mixed liquids problem before with buckets, but never in lye barrels, and AFAIK, the barrel contains lye and lye only. Dumping and reclaiming the barrel might do something; worst case scenario I've wasted a lot of lye and wood.

I've got a lye problem. I decided to be clever and make a barrel full of lye; one barrel full of lye takes up less space than an equivalent number of trees, ash bars or potash bars, and I can make potash/pearlash or soap easily enough. The problem is, I apparently can't use any of it; "potash from lye" jobs cancel because they need a lye bearing item, despite the presence of a damned barrel of lye, though I can make soap for some strange reason. Halp? What do?