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No, microwave radiation isn't explained by stars heating up the sky, because it originates in all directions and isn't of the wavelengths associated with heating of very thinly-dispersed gas to temperatures only slightly above absolute 0. Monkeys writing Shakespeare has nothing to do with evolution, and evolution isn't purely random. What selection acted on the monkeys? How MANY monkeys were there? A mere million? That's tiny on an evolutionary scale. You really need to learn what evolution IS, and also how the proposed evolution of the eye works.

Also, this.

Atheism may be the first thing that people would think of when studying physics, but further research into it shows that it, in fact, almost all theories that don't in some way involve a supernatural power creating the universe are incredibly flawed. Examples include: Big bang ('nothing' exploded to make the universe, this breaks every physics law imaginable), Evolutionism (how often do mutations make sapient? Failing sapient, how often do they improve the species at all?), the universe spontaneously existing for no reason whatsoever (if you believe this then there are obvious problems with you).

You've hit a nerve for me. I can't explain convincingly why the Big Bang doesn't violate laws of physics, because I'm not sufficiently well-grounded in advanced physics to know that; I can, however, say that according to evidence I can understand (background microwave radiation, universal expansion, etc), it is essentially obvious that something of the kind occurred. The last thing is kind of ridiculous (I see no problems with myself, and I don't think there needs to be any purpose to the universe' existence). But that middle one. Oh, man. You don't seem to understand that arguing "it's really unlikely!" does fuck-all to prove evolution wrong. When you have 4.5 billion years of history with so many organisms that I don't actually know what the relevant power of 10 is called, unlikely shit happens. How often does mutation and natural selection generate intelligence? Once in 4.5 billion years, apparently. If you have any further arguments to make, we can no doubt run this thread into the ground discussing this.

EDIT: In response to the above, explain your first premise. I don't accept it.

On the topic of proof (which is one that many theists tend to avoid) do you have any solid proof of most of the theories you live by? Do you have, with you, a supernova that is creating the universe? No, you don't.
"But Omega! clever scientists tell us that this happened!" I hear you say. By listening to them you are believing what they say because they should know, just as Jesus should know (being the son of the one who made the world and everything) how the world was made. You actually have no more proof than we do.

Given the laws of physics as I've come to understand them through lab courses and reading of experiments that have been done (by looking at data myself, I mean, not by simply being told the correct conclusion), the Big Bang seems a logical extension, while "A Wizard did it" does not.

Also, with regards to Makbeth: I don't have a problem saying "God does not exist" if you're just going about your life and figuring out how best to take care of your own actions; you know what you mean, and terminological accuracy isn't so important. When you start debating with other people, though, it's very important that you be clear about what your arguments support, which is that "God probably does not exist."

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