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Wait, they can have colors? Jeez. I'd go back and try to figure it out, but it's consistently a crapshoot as to whether the thing actually loads.

Ohhh, fair enough. I'll be amazed if it's ever relevant or addressed, but fair enough.

Madness it is. I see no evidence for your claim on the linked page.

your house of cards is founded upon naught but supposition and needless complexity. occam's razor finds itself blunted upon the tangle of threads you have brought it.

@Solifuge

If you want my advice, and you might not:

Human experience is real. It's the most real thing there is. To paraphrase a surprisingly insightful space-horse-man, if there's nothing in the universe but what we make, let us make Good. I don't buy that hedonism is the way to do it, though. Pleasure only makes sense as the Prime Motivator when you define it so broadly as to be useless - it forces you to invent convoluted definitions of true pleasure when you need to explain folks being altruistic, or devoted to a cause, or just plain honest. It's as if you're drawing ever-more-complicated circles of orbits to explain how the Earth is still at the center of the Universe.

Find stronger foundations. Find your pleasure in living a just life. Don't find justice in living a pleasant life. I don't know about you, but I've found that honesty, compassion, humility and genuine willingness to be vulnerable and to sacrifice for others have been worthwhile ideals. They may hurt to go through with, but I've found that when I stopped looking for profit in my relationships, most of what I'd struggled for years to engineer came to me without coercion. How much fear of pain can you take before it starts being worse than the pain itself? Maybe you have to leave behind some friend groups who make it impossible to be what you need to be, whether it's because they just can't see your value or because you've settled into an unhealthy dynamic with them that you just can't break out of. I know I left some folks behind like that as I tried to be better, and not all of them deserved it. But you do what you have to do.

I don't know how much of that applies directly to you, and at some point I noticed you snipped out your post, so I don't want to dig any deeper than I already have. If you want this deleted, too, just say so.

Disclaimer: This post isn't specifically about your friends and family, Vec. Sorry, I just feel like I messed up the communication in that last post and want to clear it up. And sorry if I come off as a dick to you!

@Solifuge
Yeah, so I guess what I'm saying is that trying to focus on a way to fix the pain is what's going to keep it cutting. I'm not saying that folks should try with everything they have to hold onto those relationships - that's absolutely the wrong thing to do. Trying to convince yourself that the gap in your life is going to stop being a thing, whether you're doing it by vainly hoping to fix the relationship or by finding other people whose love can distract you both seem like problems, and for a lot of the same reasons. In both cases, you wind up trying to use people to avoid having to deal with what you're afraid of losing. Maybe this is more my own experience than anything else, but I feel like the only way to move on is to let people go and live with it, and let that be that.

It's also important to get the support you need from people who are happy to give it, but I dunno - that's coping with giving something up, not trying to convince yourself that you'll somehow break even on the event. Maybe I'm splitting hairs, I don't know. I can't articulate what I'm trying to say any better than this, so feel free to respond and I'll read it and give it some thought, but I probably won't be dragging this on any longer. Sorry to anybody I've annoyed! Just gonna hit post now before I try to think of some other way to repeat myself.

@HugoLuman
Shit, I'm sorry dude. I know that feeling and it sucks. It really fucking does.

@Vector
I am sorry that someone you love is having such a hard time, that people you love so persistently refuse to love or even respect you, that they will be gone, and that many of your friends and other relatives are or will be leaving, too. And that the stress is hurting you. I've been in the "no friends and family" boat before, but I put myself there deliberately and without past trauma - it's really not the same, I expect. Good luck.

what about an unfunny climax