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Oh, by the way- I've got a minor comment on Fniff's post (I am rereading all of them to get going. I think most of the posts were really great).
You called that tear between the realm of spirits and the realm of the living 'the Void'. While this is a nice name, it might cause some confusion with the 'Void' in relation to 'the Essence'.

On the other hand, I like confusion.


Edit: And Azthor forgot to remove the following from his post:

I will correct any grammatical/formulation mistakes later, but here is the bulk of it. Any chance of which I might get an act cost for the blessing of prosperity (Act 2)?

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Thanks. :)
Regardless, I'll try to finish the post tomorrow. Don't have anywhere to go tomorrow, so it should work out.

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Alright. I'm mostly done with the turn summary and result summaries now.

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Well- The update is scheduled to take place on Sunday, so you're unlikely to miss out on anything.
Good news, everyone! Apparently I can perform as a top student if I actually do something. Man, if I'd known about that on high school..!
Would have saved my poor parents many a gray hair.

Well, university matters more than high school anyways. So now to perform as a writer as well. ;)

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Alright, then. Take your time. I'll move the update date to this Sunday (but then I really, really want to get it done and get back to the bi-weekly schedule). I'll re-clarify our divine rule-book too, then.

I'm looking forward to reading what you'll come up with.

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You don't have to write an entire new act within the hour or rush it. Given the circumstances, I'd like to give you the time you need rather than a quick hurry to finish. That is- Unless you already had something in mind or written. I do enjoy reading what you write.

I do wonder- Even if Malbran told Galadrin about his vision, would the Archspawn really assume that Ode was behind it?

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We have the following situation;

- First to act
Spoiler: gman8181 as Ode (click to show/hide)

- Second to act

gman8181 claims that Azthor's actions were out of line and that he powergamed. This sparked a situation where gman8181 would like to respond, but can't given the lack of Essence and time (since the turn is technically over). I'll go by each of Azthor's acts in turn, just to clarify whether they were justified from a meta-gaming perspective.

Spoiler: Act 1 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Observation (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Act 2 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Observation (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Act 3 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Observation (click to show/hide)

I would like to give Azthor time to rewrite his post, since I do not think that he was deliberately meta-gaming, and the unclarity might very well be blamed on me, or on the general situation. The 'Act 3' I labelled was perfectly alright, and 'Act 2' should certainly be rewritten. The first act I leave up to Azthor, since I trust his judgment of the situation, as well as for him to act fairly.

Of course, you may all feel free to disagree with me, especially if you think you have a better solution for the conflict.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: The Age of Fire: A Modern Godhood Game
« on: October 29, 2013, 01:25:18 pm »
Weren't you scared of me already?!
If not, I did a horrible job.

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Personally, I consider post order to be like chess: if your finger isn't on the chess piece (If you have finished your post), then the chess piece is moved. Though, we should probably wait until Caesar gives the lowdown.

So far, I've always run the Godhood series by this principle. Once someone wrote something, it was done. There was no going back (exceptions are possible, of course, like if the act in question was clearly a violation of one of the rules or beyond the power of that particular deity) and the next post could, indeed, be a reaction on the previous. Like all rules of the game this too may be reconsidered. The 'rules' are there to make the game fun (and easier to keep going).

Yeah but what's stopping me from now adding on an additional action to counter yours. And then you adding another action to counter mine...

I am. If a thing like that would occur, I would step in. After all, I take ultimate control of the mortals in the game for this very reason. They get to make their own decisions. When a mortal is sent two conflicting visions, for instance, he will ultimately choose between them, or act differently. They may even decide not to act at all and a vision can be fruitless. Until a mortal has actually acted on the things that influenced him during a turn, there is nothing to counter.

Imagine a man named Bob. We both get one chance to tell him what we prefer. You tell Bob to take a right turn. I tell Bob to take a left turn. Done. Until he's made a decision, we have nothing else to add. You can not counter the mortal's decisions before he's made them.

And if the last person to post their turn gets to counter the actions of others while they can't in turn do the same, it promotes an attitude where no one actually wants to post first because it punishes them.

This is a strong and central concern here, and I'll get to answering it later in this post.

Anyway, I don't really see why waiting until the update would prevent countering other people's actions but if we are doing things that way, I suppose I'll post my counter - counter action some time tomorrow.

I don't think that you are really sincerely representing your view here, so I'll skip replying directly to this part. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Indeed. Chess matches/games solve this by shouting at the player to get a move on. :P

No, no- That's how you solve problems with slow game moderators and posters.

Sorry, I did a slightly poor job of expressing my view. I didn't really mean that all our actions have to happen at the same time in game so much as I meant that the order of us posting shouldn't influence it. The actual order of our actions in my opinion should be determined when the GM writes the post because he's the one actually writing about us performing our actions and what consequences or results they have.

That's the strong concern I labelled earlier. On one hand, the approach you label is different from how we've run the game until now, and being able to act upon one another's act fits the theme of a pantheon of various gods, who may have conflicting interests, very well. On the other hand, I see that you are trying to take away the concerns with being the first to act, for the good of the game and how well it runs.

Personally, if I imagine a group of people who are each trying to achieve certain distinct goals (which may conflict), I see them thinking ahead. Yes, making the first move might prove to be a disadvantage. But countering someone else's move costs you your resources, and may very well not be worth it. It may even cost you more of your resources to counter their move than it cost them to instigate it in the first place.

I would like to clarify the following things:

- The gods you play are not omniscient. They see where their servants are, and learn of things as their people do. If you know the Black and White series of games, imagine a circle of influence around your main places of worship. You may learn and act outside it, but only if the person or city in question is significant enough for your god to know about them.
- If something happens in distant lands, it takes time for it to reach the 'ears' of the god you play.
- Actions can most certainly be covert (most visions are!), and you can not act on that which of you do not know.
- Sometimes the effects of an act are immediate, and sometimes they take some time. This should be clear by virtue of the act itself. For instance, if a volcano erupts after the actions of one god, everyone should know of it and be able to act on it in the same turn. If a god blesses several people with a blessing they may pass on to their descendents, the other gods would not know until the next turn (unless there is really good reason for them to learn about it right away).
- Acting late is not necessarily acting well. Acting well may be to act covertly, or to predict your opponents. You all know who still has his or her godly juice and who doesn't. You also know who is in peril and who is not. And to solve this problem, I'll be stricter on the deadlines for posts too (unless almost everyone agrees to move a deadline so someone can post). If you postpone for too long, you can't post. You may even not act at all out of fear of the other gods, but that is an act by itself, as you are saving your Essence. Live the character, and respect their tactical decisions.

Now, I would like to get to this actual case. I'll write a new post about that. Feel free to comment on what I just wrote. Maybe I'm wrong, or maybe I write like I'm high on crack and I make zero sense.

I do, at the very least, want to find a fair solution and principle to keep acting on for the rest of the game.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: The Age of Fire: A Modern Godhood Game
« on: October 29, 2013, 12:33:28 pm »
Ooooh, damn.. I forgot to act. Now I have to read up.
I think. If I'm still there.

At least I'll have a lot of interesting stuff to read.

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I'll have to read through this debate and all the posts again before I can argument in favor of either position.
I'll have to get back on it tomorrow after college. Maybe I'll restart writing.

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Yes, spheres can still be gained.

And don't worry- The game is not in oblivion. Like I said- I was occupied by several exams this past week. I am starting work on the turn post today. I expect it to be done by Tuesday latest. I'll keep you all up to date! :)

Wait- Almost everyone did post, right? I'll have to double-check.

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I will have to move the deadline one more week, to 27/10/2013. I have several exams next week, and I figured that I could both write the update and prepare for those exams at the same time. This is unnecessarily risky, however, and naturally the exams take precedence.

I have no exams the week after, so there will be no difficult trade-offs to make then.

Please accept my apologies for the delay for this turn.
Don't take it as a form of procrastination. The turn will get done.

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Guys, the official update date is next Sunday (20/10/2013).
I've been a little occupied, so I apologize for the radio silence.

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Sorry for the several-day-long radio silence. I've been a little busy, but I'm still there.

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