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It seems to me this whole medical business is going to involve a lot more resource management and item aquisition than I am used to. I mean, I have never had silk in my forts because I've never needed silk in my forts (and I've never been ballsy enough to capture the GCS). I just wonder whether or not, with all the new stuff coming out, it'll become a lot more stressful trying to obtain and mantain a supply of everything you need to keep your fort running.

I've noticed that too (for example, gypsum apparently has a use now in making casts), but it sounds like it's set up so you can use lots of different substitutes -- different types of cloth thread, different types of splints, etc.  I think as long as you have some way of generating cloth you'll be fine.

The really tricky part is going to come when he starts implementing diseases and cures and we have to trade for Golden Salve or whatever. Which actually could get kinda neat but will be yeuurgh complicated.

I leave it and engrave over it unless the gem is so extraordinarily valuable (star sapphire, ruby, etc) that I want to save it for use in an artifact.

Generally speaking, my engraver is the most skilled person in my fort, since I'll generally pick one dwarf and have him smooth and engrave the whole place.

In future I might worry about this a bit more since it might be part of why my top nobles tend to be so unhappy -- lesser's pretentious living arrangements, etc.

Anyways, the wording implies some sort of gas bag creature, but if I get what you really mean, yea you're right, it could easily have been an air elemental type creature.

Or even conceivably a Spirit of Fire, or whatever's replaced them.

Toady answered this question recently in a forum thread, at least for the upcoming version.

Toady just gave us a further quote on weapon and armor quality, giving the game qualities of an "artifact" in the next version:
Value*10.
Cannot be owned (can be equipped, you might have to do it explicitly though).
Armor deflection roll has *3 roll modifier instead of the masterwork's *2.
Same for melee attack and archery rolls.
It looks like the artifact edges are the maximum edge for the material, which is also what a masterwork gets, so beyond a masterwork you'd just be getting the hit roll modifier.
Things like artifact bone spears will likely be crap against steel, yeah. We don't have actual magical artifacts yet, and that's what would be required.

edit: fuck, beaten >_<

Anyway, yeah, that's the answer for the next version, which probably isn't too different from how it is currently. Artifact weapons are basically "super masterworks" of the material type, but the values of the underlying material aren't changed.

I suspect that the way this'll work out is that artifacts are better, as long as your material is superior, but that it's better to have a better material than an artifact -- i.e., if you're attacking a bronze colossus, any artifact weapon of (material strength > bronze) is ideal, but if your artifact is made of (material strength < bronze), you're better off with a plain steel weapon, and so forth. Conversely, if you're defending against a bronze sword, an artifact bronze, steel, or iron shield would be great, but if your artifact shield is bone, better to use a non-artifact steel shield.

In practical terms this means your steel bar stockpile should be as close as possible to your forges.

The remaining question is what to use against an unarmored opponent. It seems like in such cases, the artifact bone spear might be the best choice, just for the skill bonus.

. Bonus if it's made from addy. Then you know your enemies are in for a WORLD of hurt, an artifact addy weapon could one shot a [REDACTED].

Well, with the exception of artifact hammers. Blunt weapons use mass for damage, and an artifact adamantium hammer won't have any -- it might even be worth it to give your hammerer an adamantium hammer just to neuter him. Otherwise, though, yeah, adamantium weapons that cut or pierce should be able to cut or pierce through any armor like it wasn't there.

If you made it complex enough and large enough, and connected it to automatic repeaters, you could build an infinite labyrinth trap. There'd have to always be a path to the exit, but you could design it so that the time to exit from any given point was greater than the time it took for the path to the exit to revert, catching them in an endless cycle.

My guess is that GCS will become even more powerful than before.  Bumping them up to a underground king of beasts.  I mean think about it, tons of unimportant parts like before, but now new and improved with bone 'plate mail'.

Plus with all the new underground space they could very well be 10 x or more more common than they are now.

More to the point, marksdwarves are getting nerfed in the next release. (as are  dwarf champions generally with the attribute cap, but still).

As far as I see, humans need plains or possibly hills and it can't be evil or savage.  They also turn forests into those plains or hills during world gen, but I'm not sure how they go about that.    It may be that they need to conquer a forest retreat, or they may build their own as they expand.  If you have mostly deserts, tundra, swamps or mountains with high savagery and evil, then humans won't have anywhere to live.

Thanks!

I think I've figured it out -- I just had to turn my Savagery min down a bit, lower the min elevation to 190 (to get some plains), and reduce my evil square count slightly. The following parameters seem to generate a site with magma, flux, HFS, a surface brook, access to all four civilizations, and high elevation counts pretty much every go,  and sand about half the time. You can usually find a few suitable sites by having the finder search for other factors you don't necessarilly need, like a chasm etc.

[WORLD_GEN]
   [TITLE:WOOKIN]
   [DIM:257:257]
   [END_YEAR:1050]
   [BEAST_END_YEAR:2:50]
   [REVEAL_ALL_HISTORY:1]
   [CULL_HISTORICAL_FIGURES:1]
   [ELEVATION:190:400:1600:1600]
   [RAINFALL:25:100:1600:1600]
   [TEMPERATURE:25:75:1600:1600]
   [DRAINAGE:75:100:1600:1600]
   [VOLCANISM:50:100:1600:1600]
   [SAVAGERY:50:75:1600:1600]
   [ELEVATION_FREQUENCY:2:10000:1:9999:1:10000]
   [RAIN_FREQUENCY:2:10000:1:1:1:10000]
   [DRAINAGE_FREQUENCY:2:1:1:1:1:10000]
   [TEMPERATURE_FREQUENCY:2:1:1:10000:5000:10000]
   [SAVAGERY_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1]
   [VOLCANISM_FREQUENCY:2:10000:1:10000:1:10000]
   [GOOD_SQ_COUNTS:2000:4000:15000]
   [EVIL_SQ_COUNTS:2000:4000:15000]
   [PEAK_NUMBER_MIN:25]
   [OCEAN_EDGE_MIN:0]
   [VOLCANO_MIN:200]
   [REGION_COUNTS:SWAMP:0:0:0]
   [REGION_COUNTS:DESERT:0:0:0]
   [REGION_COUNTS:FOREST:0:0:0]
   [REGION_COUNTS:MOUNTAINS:0:0:0]
   [REGION_COUNTS:OCEAN:0:0:0]
   [REGION_COUNTS:GLACIER:0:0:0]
   [REGION_COUNTS:TUNDRA:0:0:0]
   [REGION_COUNTS:GRASSLAND:0:0:0]
   [REGION_COUNTS:HILLS:0:0:0]
   [EROSION_CYCLE_COUNT:0]
   [RIVER_MINS:800:800]
   [PERIODICALLY_ERODE_EXTREMES:0]
   [OROGRAPHIC_PRECIPITATION:1]
   [SUBREGION_MAX:5000]
   [CAVE_MIN_SIZE:500]
   [CAVE_MAX_SIZE:500]
   [MOUNTAIN_CAVE_MIN:800]
   [NON_MOUNTAIN_CAVE_MIN:100]
   [ALL_CAVES_VISIBLE:1]
   [SHOW_EMBARK_RIVER:2]
   [SHOW_EMBARK_POOL:2]
   [SHOW_EMBARK_M_POOL:2]
   [SHOW_EMBARK_M_PIPE:2]
   [SHOW_EMBARK_CHASM:2]
   [SHOW_EMBARK_PIT:2]
   [SHOW_EMBARK_OTHER:2]
   [SHOW_EMBARK_TUNNEL:2]
   [TOTAL_CIV_NUMBER:100]
   [TOTAL_CIV_POPULATION:20000]
   [PLAYABLE_CIVILIZATION_REQUIRED:1]
   [ELEVATION_RANGES:0:0:0]
   [RAIN_RANGES:0:0:0]
   [DRAINAGE_RANGES:0:0:0]
   [SAVAGERY_RANGES:0:0:0]
   [VOLCANISM_RANGES:0:0:0]

cant i turn off one of the erosion settings?

Yeah, sortof. If you turn off all erosion, you'll still get near-sheer cliffs, but they'll have a slight slope to them -- one or two tiles of ground or ramp per z-level. You can dig that away fairly easily to create a sheer cliff, though.

Other option is look for sites where a brook cuts through a mountain.