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godamn it, godamn firefox, i had about finished up my post, then i accidentally clicked on a quote link, deleting my post, i'm going to go right back and retype it now

Me go hunting, getting as much stuff as possible
It would also be appreciated if someone turned the 20 bronze arrowheads into 20 arrows

Think its time to judge now, it seems like the discussion is pretty much over to me.

Nice analysis akroma, but in the future, could you not separate everything so much, so that your post takes up a bit less space?
i could still attack russia from the left i think if i felt like it, attacking from the right would have stoped me from taking any of the neutral nations that i am taking right now.

and yeah, does look a bit like russia is failing, if they moved warsaw, they could have taken berlin/munic/vienna

i assume that you are voting for me with the blue text, correct?
As i have said about 10 times, my votes for other people had nothing to do with others voting or even weather they voted.
The reason i didn't post wasn't because i didn't have any suspicions (although i didn't), but rather i didn't post because i had family over for thanksgiving (they just left yesterday), and i didn't have the time to read the thread.
But yeah, i am aware that i lurked for pretty much all of day two, and no, it wasn't part of any scummy plan, regardless of weather i am town or scum, i wouldn't have posted day two.


As i have said before, my votes have nothing to do with who is attacking people at that point, or even if anyone else is attacking them, but weather i think they are suspicious or not.
And at the point i voted for jim, only 1 other person had voted for him anyways.

no, changing how food works is the only way i can see the game really working. As i said, even if we only need to put 10% of labor into staying alive, but having 100% would make our pop grow really fast, then we would put all our labor into food, because having buildings which help make more is worth much less then having more people who can produce more.
Personally i think that quartering food consumption (.5 per labor) and lowering harvesting (1 per barren, 0 for glass), while changing how pop growth works would really help.

Yeah, it makes it seem more like a alien wastleland, but that is kinda boring as you point out. If it takes 30 turns to get our pop up and we just harvest for those turns, then the game will stall and end pretty fast.

Also, abculatter_2, do i know what the thing in the hex above my base is?

no clue, but if it's tied to population, and we are able to get a excess of food, population will take off until it reaches maximum sustainable, if we can't get a excess, then we spend the whole game having our whole population getting ONLY food, instead of building or researching or making armies.

I think that we shouldn't have to spend more then half our population getting and maintaining food , i mean sure, someone could get a food excess, but if it isn't tied to population then it would be fine.

Mabey have pop growth be percenage based of a absolute(eg. everyone gets a constant 10% pop growth as long as they are fed and morale is above 3), or mabey have it morale based like it used to be (would be big for those with morale bonuses but whatever).
but the way it is, it will take me having 15 food at the end of the turn (9 for growth and 6 for food consumption with three population, 3 getting 2 per land, and the 3 bonus food i get), and that would take me 5 turns of doing nothing else at all (starting from 0 food), and if i spend 1 turn building something with 2 labor, then i would take a additional 2 turns.
While on the other hand, if we got a large excess (eg. barrens produced 4 food instead of 2), then while our pop would grow really fast, we still wouldn't anything besides farming either, because assuming the same pop and food reqs, it would take me only one turn to get to 4 population, so a building would mean it would take me take a extra turn to grow pop as well, meaning it wouldn't be worth the cost either.
No matter what the food reqs are, in this system we  spend all our labor on farming, and not even on building farms, since it would screw up our population growth.