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He would own the naga, everyone here is saying that he could basically ignore zedd's lightning, and i doubt that the naga's lightning is that much more powerful, and in melee he would own the naga. ozy being smart would mean nothing, he still has no means of hurting him. Kikaida would be unable to hurt him even if he found him. Youmu isn't actually a ghost (and if she was he could still hurt her probablt). Paul was disqualified so it doesn't matter. Duncan couldn't even see him, due to his being able to turn invisibile (apparently), and he could use his fear ability to beat duncan, or kill duncan with his first strike. The GDI disc thrower coudn't see him because he can turn invisible. Louis would get pwned by sauron at close range (and sauron, being invisible would get to chose when to attack). Alien could do nothing against him, because he is apparently a spirit in his armor, so his electrovision thing wouldn't do anything. Miyagi would get owned much harder.I think its pretty fair to call for the disqualification of Sauron, since it's pretty clear that about 95% of the competition would have no way of hurting himUntrue. The naga could see him and hit him with astounding magicks. Ozymandias could outsmart him. Kikaida could fly away and spot him with his enemy-finding-vision. Youmu could avoid the mace due to incorporeality. Paul Atreides (though disqualified) could have blocked every attack with his shield, due to him knowing Sauron's every move. Same for Duncan, minus the prescience. the GDI Disc Thrower could hit him with a huuuuge explosion. Alex Louis Armstrong could match his matter-control-powers with the added bonus of facial hair. Alien could see him with echolocation/heatvision/alien magic. Mr. Miyagi could tweak his nose. There are others, but this is already turning into a rather long list.
Yeah, others stand a chance, stop trying to win by default, thanks. Sauron is powerful. but not much more than anything else. cut off a finger and he dies instantly (with a massive explosion that mostly makes it a tie, but still)Garg.
I believe we are using the sauron from when he had the ring, but before it was cut off (he just loses the power of immortality)Cut off a finger and he dies instantly (with a massive explosion that mostly makes it a tie, but still)Actually, I think we're using the version before all the soul-binding, so cutting the ring off just puts a dent in his power, it doesn't kill him outright.
I could be wrong, though.
But the wraiths were invisible, except to those wearing the Ring. They were only semi-visible to most because of their aura of fear and the black cloaks they wore. Here, have a source.I guess the wraiths are invisible, but nothing they carry is (at least according to the movie), but as long as sauron wants to wear armor or use a weapon, he is visible.
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But if I recall correctly Sauron is of the same type of spirit as Gandalf (If someone could confirm/correct I'd appreciate it) and thus would technically have access to the same abilities. And considering he doesn't restrict himself for the sake of mortals, they'd be far more powerful spells at that.Yeah, sauron is the same kind of spirit as gandalf, but he is significantly weaker then he was in the simillarion. Also, he wouldn't have acess to the same abilities, thats like saying both spiderman and mr.incredible are both humans, so they should have acess to the same abilities. While many abilities of sauron and gandalf COULD overlap, many don't.
He needs muscles to move the armor, i'm not convinced that he would be able to move it as a spirit, if that was the case why would he wear the armor at all? why wouldn't he just be a flying mace with the ring on it that hits people?QuoteIf he is wearing that suit of full plate that he wore in the movie, i don't think he could move very fast at all. In addition, the horse would be useless since it would die in one hit of zedd's lightning. He could shapeshift into a faster form, but then he wouldn't have his mace or armor.If he's indeed a spirit, I think he'd move fairly fast. Armor isn't all that heavy when nobody's inside it.
Errr... we try to retain some laws of physics, unless they are explicitly contradicted in the source material. Unless jumping armor is his super power sure, but its not. If it was powered armor sure, but its not. You try to jump wearing 200 pounds of metal, no matter how strong you are, it will weigh you down.QuoteAnd as for jumping its pretty much a no, assuming he is wearing armor, since it would weigh him down alot.In a world where people turn invisible when wearing rings, giant eagles fly around (which should be physically impossible), demons made of flame and shadow square off against magical old men who are angels in disguise, and being courageous is literally a superpower, jumping armor is where you draw the line??
Hm, i think it was more of a magical projection then him turning into a spirit and back, and that his body was still alive when he was doing it.Quote from: Fellowship of the Ring Chapter 12With his last failing senses Frodo heard cries, and it seemed to him that he saw, beyond the Riders that hesitated on the shore, a shining figure of white light; and behind it ran small shadowy forms waving flames, that flared red in the grey mist that was falling over the world.
The only other figure present was Glorfindel, so it had to be him. Elves are not normally shining lights, and if I recall Glorfindel was a higher sort of elf anyway, so it would seem that this is his "true form".
Next, if not touching the ring was harming Sauron he wouldn't even be able to wear a glove. He obviously did in the movie, and there's no reason to suggest otherwise in the books. Therefore he could easily be in spirit form under that armor. And what kind of defense is "I don't think he could be"? What proof do you have to support this?When the ring came off his finger he blew up, thats my proof. Mabey he just happend to blow up at the same time, but i doubt it.
The ring didn't make him immortal, he was always immortal cutting off the ring would still kill him, but he just doesn't have the passive immorality that he always had.Yeah, others stand a chance, stop trying to win by default, thanks. Sauron is powerful. but not much more than anything else. cut off a finger and he dies instantly (with a massive explosion that mostly makes it a tie, but still)We're using Sauron in all his dark glory, but he doesn't have the immortality that putting part of his soul in the Ring gave him. If you chop off his finger, then he is slightly weaker (though not crippled), but he doesn't explode or die instantly
Looking at the powers granted by Sauron to the Nazgūl, it seems that there are indeed offensive spells in the Lord of the Rings. For example, the Witch King of Angmar used his 'Black Magicks' to break the gates of Minas Tirith. (Both by enchanting Grond and later just blowing the smaller gates apart.) In addition, they radiated an aura of fear that was known as the 'black breath'.I didn't say they didn't have attack spells, but rather that they don't have elemental attack spells, and the spells they do have are limited to the most part to force spells. Gandalf is one of the exceptions, as he is able to call down lightning.
However, some were shown to be resistant to this effect, for example Gandalf. Is Zedd commonly known as one who is 'fearless'?I suspect, that zedd would be able to resist the fear effect being something of a evil overlord and powerful magician himself he would be able resist it, but i don't really know for sure.
Alternatively, Zedd doesn't get a chance to fling lightning at all, because Sauron uses his invisibility to sneak up on Zedd, break his staff, and then beat him to death while Zedd is weakened. (Zedd's abilities largely stem from his usage of his staff.) If that failed, he could just keep dodging the lightning bolts until he could get close enough to smack Zedd a good one.again, when does sauron use invisibility? also, if sauron dodged, zedd could just teleport away
I'm not sure how fast Sauron can run, but his long legs and incredible strength would probably let him travel pretty quickly. Assuming that it fit in the same caliber of mount as a warhorse, he could ride on a fear-adapted warhorse, of the variety that were bred for the Nazgul.If he is wearing that suit of full plate that he wore in the movie, i don't think he could move very fast at all. In addition, the horse would be useless since it would die in one hit of zedd's lightning. He could shapeshift into a faster form, but then he wouldn't have his mace or armor.
Sauron once leapt over the river Sirion, so he could probably travel pretty quickly by jumping around.
Most spirits in Middle Earth seem to take the form of flesh, but based on the actions of a certain elf, it seems like they might be capable of shedding that form. Of course, I'm drawing from the wizards, as they have something to gain from blending in with the mortals. Sauron only wished to rule/destroy them, and considering his size alone it's obvious he isn't taking the average form. Is it possible he could simply be a spirit inside that armor?what elf sheds his body?
The ring made Bilbo/Frodo invisible because, as Gandalf described, it was imbued with Sauron's own power. This implies that Sauron had the ability to make himself invisible, which conforms to that whole bit about altering reality be sheer force of will, as well as his reputation as 'The Great Necromancer'.Originally the great necromancer didn't refer to sauron, and it was retconned to be talking about him. Also the necromancer bit refers more to how he is able to extent life pretty much forever if he wants (the ringwraiths, gollum, bilbo).
I'd have to say that Sauron's power is fairly well balanced between combat at not combat. Any 10 foot tall dude with extreme strength that carries a huge iron mace into battle that can control time and space themselves is going to be pretty hard to take down.
For the reasons stated I think that Sauron would win this fight.I think its pretty fair to call for the disqualification of sauron, since it's pretty clear that about 95% of the competition would have no way of hurting him
Anyway, now that that's out of the way I have a question. In Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood Ezio has The Apple (for a period of time) and it's powers are shown to the full. Not only does it provide omniscience (not the benegesgessirsomething kind where they know exactly what attacks their opponents will make, but by thinking the question the answer will be given by the apple), mind control and invulnerability to other PoEs but it also can kill anyone who gets within 5 feet if charged up first or in direct contact without any charging needed. The don't shrivel up and die or anything similar, but blood spurts out their head and they drop dead in a dramatic fashion.
This seems OP, but if a person with super strength, uber solid armour, everything magic and the ability to alter reality in his immediate surroundings is legal then surely The Apple should be too.
