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General Discussion / Re: Socialism
« on: April 27, 2014, 09:46:13 pm »
We could have everybody work 10 hour weeks to get a minimum income, instead of some 50 hours and some none. As automation increases, keeping 9-to-5 workdays seems counterproductive.
hmmm. Mandated work hours? what would in theory happen to those who do not meet that requirement? Or will the government assign and/or monitor jobs and work?
We already have regulated working hours, at least here in Australia and in Europe (Don't know about America). I am not saying the regulations have to be particularly strict or "mandated", but I don't really see the big difference between what we have now and something like that.
It wasnt that long ago the working week was 6 days.
QuoteSo do charities, many of which are religious and are much less willing to help those who are not of their faith or willing to convert (for example, me). I'm not sure what this governmnet self-interest is exactly. Down here in Australia, you get unemployment benefits if you are unemployed and looking for employment, and thats about the only condition.
Charities don't have to be religious. Actually, given the amount of skepticism in America, and presumably the world, why should they be? I volunteer for three of them regularly. One is actually a Non-Profit, non-religious one for Autism, one operates out of a church as a third party, and one is the remnant of a mission.
Churches will likely be attractive spots to conduct from, but what stops communities from forming their own charities? Or town or regional charities? You don't have to belief in any god to donate time/money/supplies. I think its our culture, its very focused on the individual. And I've heard its even worse up here in New England where I currently live. At least down South I hear they are polite enough to say high to relative strangers . . .
Socialism is supposed to be about care for your fellowcountryman, right? Why do we need the government to force us into it?
They don't have to be religious, but that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of the are. Simply because they legally can, doesn't help someone's situation. It also doesn't change the fact that if I were to lose my job, I would likely find it very hard to get charity help and being told that there is no law against helping me doesn't exactly prevent me from going hungry. Charities also suffer from an unjustified can't-do-evil reputation.
You don't need the government, but its a very useful tool. The government (even if it requires a lot of altering and change) can be used to benefit people.
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:/ Yes there is already a dependence on the system. Those who genuinely need it. And there are those who flagrantly seek to exploit the system. There is no solution to it other than weaning them off or continuing to pay, although how we 'wean' them is open to debate.
I was not referring to "the system" (welfare) specifically.
How many people know how to hunt or farm for food I wonder? Probably not many as they are reliant on private systems. The public welfare system is also reliant on the private sytem.