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« on: November 15, 2023, 02:31:20 am »
Could I change my profile name to it?
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General Discussion / Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« on: November 13, 2023, 08:23:38 pm »The most likely goal we're aware of was to disrupt the normalization talks that were going on between israel and some other nations, with a side goal of the usual thing of provoking wildly disproportionate retaliation against the gaza civilian population, and probably at least partially to try to draw the IDF away from supporting the murderous settlers on the west bank.
The brutality the 10/7 attack involved was, to all appearances, significantly due to how little resistance hamas encountered; without that, it might have ended up largely just a hostage exchange sort of situation (this is your reminder israel holds several hundred/thousand palestinians in detention, many of them for political reasons rather than anything reasonably called criminal) rather than literally nakba mk 2. Unfortunately, the IDF had prioritized giving cover to lynchings over defending the border they shared with hamas, and here we are
The first 2 have, to all appearances, worked, incidentally. The third... sorta'. It did, but the settlers ramped up the murder and displacement efforts even with less military support, so it didn't exactly help the situation in the west bank much.
I'm very conspiracy theoretical about the timing and Netanyahus popularity. But I'm not sure if I should let myself think people would go so far, it sounds too out there
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General Discussion / Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« on: November 12, 2023, 05:49:03 pm »The airstrike campign + limited inceursuon is not going to destroy HAMAS, causing the people in Gaza to suffer with no alternative is the reason they join HAMAS in the first place.
A diplomacy option would be to support a less hostile group and not literally support HAMAS as a bullwork against the PA, to not shoot peaceful protestors in Gaza in 2018-19, to actually try for peace and not continusly prevent palastinan families to return to the homes they were kicked out of.
Quoted for truth.
If the goal of Israel is to destroy Hamas (or the like), they ain’t going about it the right way. People having their homes and communities destroyed aren’t going to be philosophical about the matter. Equally so, all of Hamas isn’t in Gaza, so even if it was razed to the ground and all the tunnels filled with concrete, Hamas still exists, or get re-created by some of the Palestinians whose families have been destroyed in Israeli strikes that live elsewhere.“From the river to the sea” is also a contentious one. I don’t doubt that there are anti-Semites that do use it to mean extermination of Jews on that land, but there are others that use it to mean they want peace there. Jumping to the conclusion that everyone there, who was broadly peaceful, was using it to call for the elimination of Jews is a ludicrous jump to make.
If you think the people using a slogan calling for ethnical cleansing are doing so for peace then you show a severe lack of critical thinking. How can it not be immediately obvious to you how that is just antisemitic apologism?
Because allowing language to be essentially stolen by the most extreme elements of society means we wouldn’t be able to talk about anything. Interpreting something in the worst possible way is how to shut down dialogue - it’s something abusers do - on what is a relatively ambiguous statement. “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.” Free from what? Free to do what?
When Israelis use the phrase, do they use it to mean they want to exterminate Jews from the area? Heck, Likud used the phrase in the 70s, do they want to eliminate the Jews?
You're embarrassing yourself.
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General Discussion / Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« on: November 12, 2023, 11:32:02 am »
I'd agree that the politician might have been using it as a subversion of the slogan. But that isn't how people straight up using the slogan is using it.
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General Discussion / Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« on: November 12, 2023, 06:56:48 am »“From the river to the sea” is also a contentious one. I don’t doubt that there are anti-Semites that do use it to mean extermination of Jews on that land, but there are others that use it to mean they want peace there. Jumping to the conclusion that everyone there, who was broadly peaceful, was using it to call for the elimination of Jews is a ludicrous jump to make.
If you think the people using a slogan calling for ethnical cleansing are doing so for peace then you show a severe lack of critical thinking. How can it not be immediately obvious to you how that is just antisemitic apologism?
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General Discussion / Re: The friendly and polite Europe related terrible jokes thread
« on: November 09, 2023, 04:10:08 pm »Tesla under strike in Sweden, because Tesla do not use collective agreements.What do they say in the audio clip?
Tesla's response so far has been barely shrouded propaganda pieces through their fan club claiming no strike is happening and the evil union is just threatening their workers who have it so much better on Tesla than on other car companies in terms of wages *and* insurance benefits (which is not a thing we do in Sweden), and confusion over the fact that Swedish law applies to Swedes and not just to foreign workers moved into Sweden.
I hope the unions win.
Sure! And for reference, Dagens Arbete is the union paper of the industrial worker's union. Anyway, with only a few liberties since I wasn't sure how to translate some things:
DA Journalist (the male voice): "This is planning for strike breaking, I'm wondering how you-"
Tesla communications boss (the female voice): "Eh, but eh -- is it, is it really illegal to move, or, that personnel works att different workplaces within the country's borders, that is in Sweden"
DA: "To perform a striking worker's work is what is the actual definition of strike breaking, yes, whether one now moves people to -- if there's very few at one place, that is there's many--"
Tesla: "Within the country?"
DA: "Yes"
Tesla: "Within the country?"
Da: "Yes. You're not aware of this?"
Tesla: "Eeeeh, not, eeeeh, within the country, eeh-"
DA: "Within the country," *chuckle* "Yes, absolutely. It's about performing the work of somebody at strike. That's what it's about."
Tesla: "Okey. Let me check this up and come back to you."
DA: "Okey."
Tesla: "Yes? Thank you, please. Bye!"
Since the start of the strike support strikes has been started in among other things the Swedish harbour worker unions, who are refusing to shift Tesla cars and products through, and infrastructure/communications unions are stopping all transport of reserve parts within the country.
Sorry that all sources is in Swedish
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General Discussion / Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
« on: November 09, 2023, 03:28:35 pm »
Swedish folklore has the Skogsrå or Skogsfrun (Forest-Ruler and Lady of the Forest respectively), which is a spirit that appears as a beautiful, possibly naked, woman with a few telltale traits that she isn't human such as a troll's tail. Often she is depicted as hollow, in the way that a hollow tree is hollow, which could only be seen from her having a hole in her back that she would hide. She was a dangerous creature that enjoyed playing with people and could make them wander lost in the forest, trick or hurt them.
I'm not super certain but i think it is likely that as her name implies in earlier permutations of the myth she was the personification and/or ruler of the forest itself, but in much of the later (ie 17th-19th century) folklore that was preserved she has lost some of the "regality" that would imply. She has a few "sister spirits" like for example the Bergsrå/Bergsfrun (Mountain-ruler/Lady of the Mountain respectively) which retained their "we have to respect and revere these spirits and they will aid us or else they will become angry with us and hurt us" atmosphere.
I'm not super certain but i think it is likely that as her name implies in earlier permutations of the myth she was the personification and/or ruler of the forest itself, but in much of the later (ie 17th-19th century) folklore that was preserved she has lost some of the "regality" that would imply. She has a few "sister spirits" like for example the Bergsrå/Bergsfrun (Mountain-ruler/Lady of the Mountain respectively) which retained their "we have to respect and revere these spirits and they will aid us or else they will become angry with us and hurt us" atmosphere.
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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 09, 2023, 02:51:24 pm »better grey than baldSpoiler: grey (click to show/hide)
You lucked out with the colour scheme of tour grey though
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General Discussion / Re: [MILK] There were 12 eggs here what did you do with them? (Happy thread?!)
« on: November 07, 2023, 10:12:36 am »
You're on a roll, maxxy
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General Discussion / Re: Twitter is Dead, Long Live X!
« on: November 01, 2023, 12:38:15 pm »
Do you not fear Big Enviro???
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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: October 31, 2023, 07:40:17 am »
You guys are all rookies. I aim for the perfect strike with every bowl movement
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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: October 30, 2023, 03:04:23 am »I'm headed to Mexico for nearly a month starting... Ooooooh, in about 8-9 hours or so.
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What are you doing? Month long vacation I hope?
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General Discussion / Re: United Kingdom Bunker Thread - Politics & Economics
« on: October 28, 2023, 01:41:25 pm »My favourite bit is Humza Yousaf’s quote:
“Not a particularly great loss to the party.”
Just makes it seem like sour grapes on all sides to me
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General Discussion / Re: The friendly and polite Europe related terrible jokes thread
« on: October 28, 2023, 06:45:43 am »
Tesla under strike in Sweden, because Tesla do not use collective agreements.
Tesla's response so far has been barely shrouded propaganda pieces through their fan club claiming no strike is happening and the evil union is just threatening their workers who have it so much better on Tesla than on other car companies in terms of wages *and* insurance benefits (which is not a thing we do in Sweden), and confusion over the fact that Swedish law applies to Swedes and not just to foreign workers moved into Sweden.
I hope the unions win.
Tesla's response so far has been barely shrouded propaganda pieces through their fan club claiming no strike is happening and the evil union is just threatening their workers who have it so much better on Tesla than on other car companies in terms of wages *and* insurance benefits (which is not a thing we do in Sweden), and confusion over the fact that Swedish law applies to Swedes and not just to foreign workers moved into Sweden.
I hope the unions win.
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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: October 28, 2023, 05:39:15 am »
But then you have to write them down to remember where there was leetspeech