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With the chat reaction, do they just talk to themselves?

For flavor, you might want to change the building around a little.  Make it like, 2x1 or something, with the model being a chair and a table, and work done on the chair side.  You could even make it require a chair and table to build, though I don't think you can make it count as those things for general purposes once they're part of the building.  Then you could fill up a room that you consider to be the pub with a row of bar stool things for just getting drunk at, and then regular chairs and tables for the dining patrons.  Then you could either build an archery target thing and let military dwarves practice shooting in your new bar, or make a seperate custom building for that purpose.

I'd use multiple building just so you don't have a pub with a single lonely drunken dwarf sitting in it.

Oh man, I should have read more of this thread, didn't notice you had paint too!  I finally developed a method that works for me, but I only have paints made from dyes.  Now I have to figure out if I want to look at what you did for ore or try to figure it out for myself.  I've been kind of obsessed with the painting idea for awhile, and I think I actually finished work on mine right around the time you added yours, not that I can prove it, since it's still only on my computer.  Even if I don't decide to check out your paint system, I'll probably have to try adventure mode in this.

It's interesting that you allow logs to be painted.  I went with just blocks because I didn't like the idea of a carpenter being able to take a log covered in red paint and somehow make a chair that's painted red out of it.  But when your options are "Don't allow everything to be painted, make a custom reaction for every single item that can be painted(or something like that), or just paint the logs and say that works" that last option starts looking preeetty good. 

Quote from: Interus on May 02, 2011, 01:35:01 pm

Right now they don't know how to bite, presumably because their teeth aren't properly attached or something.  All the other humans can bite, and I add their teeth in at the caste level too.  There's probably a few other things wrong, but I'm checking out a couple other features I modded in, which are actually done now.  I just want to make sure they're working as intended before I let them out.

Use "bite" from wolves. You're using eyeteeth instead of teeth, but human bite uses teeth.

Oh hey, there was a bunch of stuff while I was playing.  Thanks for the advice, didn't realize it was different.  I actually switched over to fangs instead of eyeteeth(they have a relsize of 10 instead of 15) but switching back is no big deal, especially if that works, and I'm sure it will.  Thanks.

And yeah, eyeteeth totally confused me the first time I ripped one out.  Eyes don't have teeth!  Then I sort of figured it out.

They aren't really well thought out, and I like catgirls.  Mostly because I like cats.  If I do end up publishing the mod, which I'm considering, I'll probably take them out, or create a sub-file for them.  Besides, it's a fun little practice thing, since every other class is identical to normal humans, except for the eye description.  For example, artists have this:  But yeah, it's really just because I like catgirls, and I know that's not entirely unique on these forums.

   [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE]
      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:CLOSE_SET:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]
         [APP_MOD_NOUN:curious eyes:PLURAL]

Though that's not the entire thing.  Essentially though, their eyes are always described as curious.  Military has determined I think, and I forgot what I gave leaders.  Wise or something.

Or at least, that's how they're descriptively different.  Each one learns certain things faster(and artists are the only ones capable of improving in farming at all) and their attributes are different, except leaders cuz I haven't got to them.

In other news, I got it to work mostly, though I get a complaint now that catgirls can't bite because it can't find teeth.  Odd since I think every other caste can bite, but maybe Teeth doesn't recognize generic_teeth_with_fangs.  Not that it matters.  I'm going through legends, and every catgirl I've seen so far(they're fairly rare), has died within a year.  Murdered by trolls or something.  I'm guessing that's because I pumped up the savagery.

Also, I found a fun little night creature.  In the early autumn of 109, Ngalak changed Nino from a elf into a man wife of twilight.

Edit:  I found one that lived for like 30 years and was a "lady" apparently.  Another lived from 61 to worldgen, and is the overlord of The Whirling Dead.  I also found out that I forgot to put my reactions and crap back in before worldgen, so neither humans nor dwarves have access to them, making it impossible to test.  Darn it.

Maybe they aren't to blame.

For awhile now, the error log has only been giving me errors related to that particular caste, and it was always when I went into the Create New World option.  I finally got all the errors to stop showing up(although it means I only have hair on the top of the ears and tail, though it's not like you can tell) and DF still crashed when I genned a world.  Then I deleted the caste entirely, like I did before(at least from the DF raws, I'm not gonna delete all my hard work in frustration just like that), and the world crashed again both times I tried to generate it.  Last time, it worked for me.  So now I have to try and figure out what's different.

The most likely suspect right now is the entity files.  The must serious change right now is that there is no PLAINS civ in the entity_default file. However, I've also made a few other minor changes to it, such as adding buildings and reactions to dwarves.  Actually, I think those are the only 2 changes I've made to the default file.  The entity file for my personal humans might be the source instead though.  I don't know what could be causing this, and I'd like to test what I've already made before I move on to the recipes stage.

Time for science.

Science has succeeded?

All my castes, and the opening tag for the section that describes physical characteristics.  The game gens a world fine with it written like this.

The old method I used to select castes.  I'm guessing I wrote it wrong or something.  The reason it's like this is because this is how I got around the duplicate bodyparts issue, though it's not as elegant as only adding the necessary parts to catgirls.  Essentially the file declares the body for all normal humans, then it declares it specifically for catgirls.

The process I used to narrow it down:
First, I deleted the catgirl caste and references.  Worldgen crashed.  Then I reset the default entity and deleted the custom one.  Worldgen worked.  Then I set the PLAINS entity to use HUMAN_PLAYER, the creature class that this is all a part of.  Worldgen crashed.  Then I switched all that select_caste nonsense to just [SELECT_CASTE:ALL] and worldgen worked fine, or at least didn't crash.

I'm only posting sections in order to save space, if you want the whole thing, I can post either creature file.

[REAGENT:oil:150:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[UNROTTEN]
[HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:SOAP_MAT]
[REAGENT:oil container:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[CONTAINS:oil]
[PRESERVE_REAGENT]
[DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
That's not exactly what you're looking for, I only copied it because it's the same basic principle.
I have a reagent, in this case "oil" and another reagent, which simply requires an item that contains the "oil."

To be honest, I haven't done enough science to this reaction to know if it really works, but it shows up and lists the right requirements, plus I'm almost certain that this is the format you need.

It looks like you're using an old way of using containers, and I'm not sure it works anymore.

Rare litters?! That's no catgirl.

I can get rid of it, but they're basically humans, so their children have like, a 2% chance of actually being a catgirl too.  So it's not like they'd be giving birth to tons of kittens.  Just bundles of regular babies.  I didn't want to turn them into complete breeding factories either.  They're mostly just to provide a more agile, unarmed focused, slightly unfocused, caste, that I also happen to think is cute.

Oh, does adding [HUNTS_VERMIN] do anything to intelligent creatures or things that aren't normally pets?  What about [RETURNS_VERMIN_KILLS_TO_OWNER] and [ADOPTS_OWNER].  They probably shouldn't adopt, but it would be cute.  A bit awkward if they got married to somebody that wasn't their owner though.