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1) So, you mean that Toaster is exterminator and lied, somehow managing to get correct guesses about those he 'detected'? Hm, that makes sense, however I don't think it is likely. Will block by Zathras also prevent his detect? If no, I guess it is a good idea to block him.
2) Hm. MODERATOR, is it true that there MUST be a Kook?
3) By 'confirmed' I meant 'his role is known and he is not a scum'.
4) By 'offered to lynch' I meant 'voted for him'. Also, I'm absolutely sure that Argembarger isn't scum; as I pointed out earlier, there was no dopp kill not because Zathras blocked him, but because I stunned Web. However, you seem to ignore that argument and not offer any reasons whatsoever as to why he's scum.

I guess that extends the list of possible scum to include Toaster, but you are still at the top of it.

I think JanusTwoFace is actually now a confirmed townie.  Toaster has said that Dariush is an Agent Operative (a town only role).  Dariush has said that Jim has been scanned as town.  In order for Janus to be scum, all three of them would need to be on the same scum team - and, the largest team we could possibly have has only 2 people on.  As such, he could probably coordinate the town.

I didn't say that Jim was scanned, it was JTF.

Personally I suspect Jim but considering the majority's vote on Argembarger I doubt that counts for much. I came to that conclusion is because everyone except Argembarget and Jim has been verified (in order for Kamina to be scum, he needs to be on the same team as Toaster, which is impossible, even though his behavior is highly suspicious) and Jim is the one who hasn't put up any defense whatsoever.

I am not freed from suspicion even after death... 

You betrayed one of your own. I hate you all with a frying hate.
[/bah post]

Great, now it leaves me... no, wait, I'm still outnumbered. Well, whatever, this is probably my last post for today. Everyone can think whatever he wants, but I'm still keeping my accusations of Web and Karmina (not that they matter much now).

At N1 Mish discovered the role of JTF, who's pro-town. At N2 he indeed did nothing.

Other suspicions? I already gave two, with perfectly valid explanations about why I picked them. Do you expect me to start sputtering accusations like a witch under torture? And even if I will accuse someone else, it's going to be someone of those who posted something game-related since I replaced Mish, and the only ones who did voted for me, thus if I vote for them, I'll get another cry of OMGUS accusations. Thanks, I'll roll with Web and Karmina.

If I understand the situation correctly, Zathras has proven himself to be a psychic warden, but not necessarily town.

Well, maybe he is dopp. Regardless, I voted for Web because of it, saw Karmina changing his vote to me because of it and went for him.

You're voting Web mostly because his theory contradicts your theory. Except his theory tries to avoid WIFOM, where your theory jumps right in with it. I think I like the theory with less WIFOM, myself.

Ahem. WIFOM is 'Wine In Front Of Me' and refers to the infinite possibility of "maybe he thought that I'd think that he thought that I'd think...", right?
His theory just straight-out accuses me/Mish of being exterminator for sole reason that he was unavailible for one night AND that there was no killing that night. Yes, possibility of actual exterminator not killing that night is WIFOMy, but it can't be just straight-out ignored. So basically his argument boils down to "my opponent is exterminator and he can't argue with it because he would be suspected of WIFOM". That's just... I don't know. I simply can't describe it. It's just unfair.

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 11:49:57 am

Wait-wait-wait, WHAT?
First of all, why isn't anybody even considering the possibility of exterminator not killing anyone, thus framing Mish?
Second, my vote on webadict was not based on OMGUS but instead on the facts I gathered - for all I know, Web is either the exterminator, or a dopp who wishes to pull a vote on a new player who probably won't put much of a defense because of not being familiar with the game.
Third, as I said, I suspect a team of Web-Karmina (the reasons being similar choice of targets, similar reasoning behind votes and the second immediatly changing his vote to re-balance the scales of voting). Name one reason for two people not familiar with each other have such similarities.

1. Probably because everybody in this game would like to see the Exterminator dead. The Exterminator is sought by town and dopp alike, so waiting around and not killing anyone is a pretty bad idea.
2. Your vote on Webadict was indeed not OMGUS. Your vote on Kamina was very OMGUS.
3. Because if you show two different people a blue duck, they're going to say it's a blue duck.

1. Is it better to just lynch a random townie just because of a random coincidence, who may additionally have some useful role than not kill anyone?
2. It wasn't. I voted for Web -> Karmina voted for me -> I guessed that Karmina was covering Web and that they are on the same team, which can only be dopps -> I voted for Karmina. Not that I'm bandwagoning, but I can only quote Ottofar and MBP on the subject that Karmina is thoroughly behind Web, which can only be either because a) Karmina is pro-town and somehow knows that Web is also pro-town (which is insanely impossible occurence in itself), that Ottofar and MBP are scum and I've voted for the wrong people or b) Karmina and Web are both scum (which seems to be right)
3. If you show two people a blue duck, they won't identically describe the chemical composition of paint on it and the properties of rubber from which it's made.

tl;dr:
1) What are accusations against me except Mish not being availible last night?
2) Why is everyone except Ottofar and MBP ignoring the reasons/consequences for the bond between Karmina and Web?

Wait-wait-wait, WHAT?
First of all, why isn't anybody even considering the possibility of exterminator not killing anyone, thus framing Mish?
Second, my vote on webadict was not based on OMGUS but instead on the facts I gathered - for all I know, Web is either the exterminator, or a dopp who wishes to pull a vote on a new player who probably won't put much of a defense because of not being familiar with the game.
Third, as I said, I suspect a team of Web-Karmina (the reasons being similar choice of targets, similar reasoning behind votes and the second immediatly changing his vote to re-balance the scales of voting). Name one reason for two people not familiar with each other have such similarities.