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It's simply not possible to win against an army using only peasants. If one does, his enemy must have been more retarded than the AI. Even then, it's impossible for - for example - Spartans to rout to peasants. Ever. You would need multiple full stacks and then some.

Depending on the cavalry you oppose, you can win even with all skirmisher army. (if you have heavy peltasts too, you can take on insane odds)
Egyptian Armored Archers can take on cav units easily.
Gaul Foresters are just bullshit incarnate. All-around units, one of the best in game. (10 noble cavalry 10 foresters and you just roll over everything)

Should i start the morrowind thread already? I wonder.

Here is the fight video.
6:50. Watch in fullscreen hd!

I see quite a few mistakes on my side, and hopefully will do better next time 
First mistake was not giving fanatics experience bars. They routed too easily.
Second one was not using hammer on anvil strike at 2;50 with my spare Cav (that's a fight winner right there)
Third... nah, not going to bore you viewers .

Still, an perhaps unexpected mistake was NOT staying on the center. Battlefield border has screwed ME over. If the enemy has spread out wider to try and rout my slingers, their other points would be weaker.
I gained an advantage early, by routing arcani, 1 praetorian and 2 urbans, later 2 more praetorians joined their rout. It was a winnable fight. I blew it.

Didn't watch over fanatic morale, exposed them to another cav charge. I also could move them in two groups instead of one, for much better maneuverability.. Oh well.

Enjoy, comment and throw tomatoes at me as you please!
(bonus points for everyone who points out more mistakes)

It looks like there were maybe 20 peasants in the square. Couldn't the General have cleaned them up?

Archers could work too.

EDIT: Actually, that being said, the battle progress bar for the first battle screenshot seems to show that it was an even balance of forces at the beginning... Huh.

The progress bar doesn't count experience bars from what i understand. Only unit count and quality. Bull Warriors are high quality units after all! (They can stand their ground against Urbans, and quite often even win) If it does, the changes must be minimal.
I too was shocked by it, and - to be honest - expected to have a crushing victory! After all, we won the "Snowlake" battle in Armenia LP But it seems that the bars are borked.

It's 2;48 AM here.. I'll get to the video tomorrow, probably..

Well, i have some results.

Oh well. There, you can celebrate now

Overall the battle plan was sending my generals out, to split some roman cav, and gangbang on them with the generals, 4 fanatics and slinger fire. While Bulls were in a 2,5 line formation (2 lines mostly, 3 at some points) The fanatics have proven to be too weak against 9/3/3 Praetorians, and could only temporary rout them, with heavy loses.
The main battle was going nicely, but when fanatics and generals were finally slaughtered, the wave of fresh enemies turned the tide of battle, and so we lost our general.. After his death, every infantry flag turned white.
Our loses would be lower (despite the defeat) but one unit of slingers was standing unattacked for two minutes, allowing Romans to kill 1000+ fleeing Spaniards.
Perhaps there is a better way to organize the troops, and thus win, but i didn't come up with one

I just noticed, that it was Hyo and not Barbarossa who made this army. my bad!

I just couldn't help myself