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Well, it's Dangerous Critters Mod.

That could be quite dangerous, to some fortresses. Losing all your war animals, pets, milk supplies and food stock? Not to mention clouds of miasma throughout the entire fortress?

Ok, just finished reading (or at least skimming) the whole forum, and I'm filled with rage and disappointment for humanity, and have a bunch of points to make.

First issue- full disclosure, I was that guy in high school, at least twice. Not quite *as* desperate, but close enough to have an idea what goes on in his head, and really, it's not that creepy. A *lot* of it is that underdogs want to justify their own self-worth, and the easiest way to do that is by feeling like they're the "good" guy. What you read as his creepy obsession, he probably reads as loyalty or being a romantic. Cause humans suck, nothing feels as "moral" to us as self-denial- pursuing something despite not expecting success, in this case.

You might ask why he doesn't consider the bother to you, but he doesn't understand that you're uncomfortable in this situation to- he thinks you could just flat-out tell him no, and he'd accept it. Sort of. More on that later.

Guys tend to be a lot more blunt about things- it's something I like about us, actually. When a girl says "I made it perfectly clear", she usually means something different than when I guy says it.

Also... this guy is clearly not socially adept. He probably doesn't like the position he's in, and doesn't feel a lot of hope- so he'll cling to any he has. If you leave any hole in your denial of him, hope will get through that like pressurized gas out of a not-quite-sealed container.

Rebuttals to a few bits of what I'd call truly awful advice.

Don't disappear for a while. He'll worry like hell that it's because of him, but he won't know, and as soon as you talk again he'll forget it, and maybe even think things have changed over the interim. He might be almost to the point of giving up and moving on out of self respect, then forget all that while you're gone.

Do *not* take any of the half-serious advice about claiming you aren't a sexual person. It'll feed *straight* into the whole good-guy thing. He'll be thinking "Most guys are obsessed with sex, and that's bad, right? So by still being attracted to her when there's no hope of that, I'm being good, and she'll see how genuine my affection is." This will be bullshit, but *he'll* believe it, or at least want to.

Don't be so hard on him. This guy isn't a sociopath, he's just confused- when guys get upset, we sort of break down- I think girls do, too. If we're jealous, we're more petty. If we're desperate, we're less aware, and we have less self respect. That's what's happening to him.

"He should take a hint, and if he doesn't, it's on him"- can't remember who said it, but yeah, BS. Sure, maybe it's his fault for not understanding what's going on; maybe if he were less self-centered, he wouldn't be in this confused place to begin with. But we should be aware of whether we're trying to find a good solution to a difficult situation, or whether we're trying to dole out Justice here- and unless you think his lack of maturity is such a crime on his part that it warrants the difficulty he's going through, just make it easier on him and close off all hope. Let him get on with his life.

So, that's that about that. As for the masturbation thing...

I got over the notion that things can be "wrong" for reasons other than having "wrong" consequences. No one is hurt by a guy fantasizing about a female friend- it doesn't make her life worse, it doesn't violate anything of hers, and, given guy's general lack of complexity or pretense about sex, it probably doesn't even change his view of the girl. Morality has no place in it- the only question is whether or not the guy is comfortable with such, and that doesn't really reflect on him as a person one way or another.

This forum thread should have all the answers you need:
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=54209.0

I advise failing. Get used to things sucking for a while, it won't seem to matter as much. Then, you can get valuable life experience pulling yourself out of the hole you dug.

Preferably without the necessity of first killing the plump helmet man in question, or even separating said tissue from his body.

There's no better way to handle a soul-killing horror like weaponizing it! What's the best way to go about accomplishing this?

One possibility would be to strain the creature in a flow of water after impaling it with a spike trap, resulting in the water running past the goblins' ankles, carrying the good times and sunshine to their unsuspecting shins. The drawback of this plan would of course be the water cleansing the toxin off of them before it has time to rot their legs to the bone, causing them to fall face-first into the mirthful cocktail.

I don't quite understand how the described infection is spread but infecting cattle with your own eyeless, screaming, confined victims and tossing it in the way of the goblins might act as a vector. Bonus points for using a kitten. Infecting the animals might take place by simply ordering the lepers to haul the cattle into pit zones.

See, this is the kind of man we need working on Urist McTzu's art of war.
Good man, soldier. Good man.
*salutes*

You people make me sick, I would never even dream of killing a plump helmet man. If anything I would trap them and then release them down a pit with little houses for them where they can live and reproduce and frolic.

How dare anyone lay a finger on these lovely creatures.

I think I'm gonna try to get into adventurer mode, *just* so I can find one of these guys and bite them to death... that or sever body parts and eat them one by one, while the thing is still alive... keeps the rest fresh, ya know?

This seems perfectly plausible to me- I mean, the underground is open, you *should* be able to do a check of whether or not there's a wagon path into any particular layer, and it is rather dwarvenly (who needs the bloody surface, anyway?).