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Quote from: Farmerbob on December 29, 2012, 09:15:02 pm

Quote from: Capntastic on December 29, 2012, 08:37:47 pm

We need chocobos and digimon too

Heh, Captn, have you played the Dungeons of Dredmor game?

Yes, I have, It's a good game and I'm still not sure what your point is.  World of Warcraft and dozens, if not hundreds of other games have referenced DF at varying levels of obliqueness.  There's no real reason why Toady should try to "return the favor" by adding their mascots or whatever to DF.  Dredmor is also specifically a more comedic game in tone.  DF is an entirely different beast in terms of texture and scope, and what's more, prides itself on being simultaneously free from any specific intellectual property, while also having a wealth of original content.

Even if Gaslamp gave the a-okay to slot Diggles into DF, it would still be dumb to do so, in the same way it would be dumb to slot in moogles, Pikachu, Companion Cubes, ash vampires, goombas, or anything else that is specifically from another game.  It breaks immersion, which is pretty much the main thing DF strives to create.

Hrm, I'm not quite sure I agree with you that the whole purpose of the game is immersion, I'd say that the whole purpose of the game is to have fun.  I cannot see any possibility of head-nods to other indy games being detrimental to DF, provided that they actually fit in the game, respect the other game, and aren't brightly spotlighted.  If you were to add, say, Superman to the game, ya, that would be broken.  But if you simply add a bird with a special name to the game, without giving it any special abilities or whatever, it isn't going to hurt Dwarf Fortress.

Part of the reason why most indy devs easter egg things is because it is funny, and adds another level to the game where players look for easter eggs.  But there's a practical side too.  Easter Egging helps to broaden the indy game market by helping to direct players to additional indy game offerings.  Let's face it, MOST indy game players don't just play one game, we tend to flit from game to game.  Just look at our own forums here in the "other games" section to see proof of this.

Limiting the back-scratching to other indy games is also a good idea, because many of us play indy games because we really don't like big-name themepark games, and referencing them is a turnoff.  There would be nothing inherently "wrong" with adding chocobos to DF as a large, rideable bird, but there are a great many of us that would be turned off by such an addition because of our dislike for the Final Fantasy franchise.

That being said, you can't satisfy everyone.  You apparently play DF for immersion.  I play to have fun.  I'm not quite sure where these two things conflict, but they must, because you seem to believe adding a bird with an odd name would break the game for you, but it would only add a smile or two now and then to my gameplay experience.

Quote from: Trif on December 29, 2012, 11:49:36 am

Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on December 29, 2012, 11:08:41 am

What do Diggles do?

1 slashing and 2 piercing damage.

...So, they're basically boring, average, underdefined mooks?

They are subterranean, burrowing reasonably intelligent, social birdthings.  Basically they are Dredmor's kobold or goblin race.  Some of them are mooks, some of them are really powerful, but in DF they should probably be almost exclusively mooks except for when they get corralled into doing demon-duty.  I'm not suggesting they be made a big part of DF, because that wouldn't make sense.  Just a critter that you might see now and then when you breach caverns.

Quote from: Robosaur on December 28, 2012, 01:08:24 pm

What do Reachers add to DF?
sorry GWG but content is pretty much always a plus.

Also they add a domesticatable, but dangerous when wild creature that lays eggs.

Reachers will eventually add something, with their playing dead and all.
But let me rephrase that.
Why would Toady want to add a new creature that few of us would have ever heard of? Why not add some new features, or, barring that, creatures that more people have heard of?
This has given me an idea for a new suggestion, though.

Your question is actually it's own answer.

The reason why Toady might consider adding diggles is to do a little mutual back scratching with Gaslamp Games.  Most of us play other games besides Dwarf Fortress, so directing players to other indie games designed by dev teams that produce good work is a plus.

The fact that you did not know diggles are, despite Dungeons of Dreadmore being around for quite a while now is exactly why I suggested this.

Gaslamp games is not building anything like DF, but they are building games with a very similar philosophy, and they have made it VERY clear in their game that they know and like Dwarf Fortress.

For example:

A bit of back scratching for another game that was made by DF fans

Dungeons of Dredmor devs VERY obviously play DF, there are DF Easter eggs all over the game.

So... diggles, giant diggles and werediggles in Dwarf Fortress, if the Dredmor guys wouldn't object?

I somehow doubt they would object at all.

Southwest corner a few Z levels down from embark Z level iirc

There are two locations for cistern controls, they were labeled at the time of my occupancy.  Look at the same Z level as the bottom of the cistern for two rooms.  One next to the cistern, the other next to the cistern drain, a bit SE of the cistern.

Very Nice Darnis!

Love to see new stuff by people whose names I don't recognize

Welp, I have a nice spot on the Deliverance server, a bit east of Green Dog on top of a big hill by the old Deliverance Market.

I'm not looking for villagers, but I'd be happy to give a bit of help here or there.  If you need meals or starter tools, advice, or help nearby feel free to stop by and I'll do what I can to help.