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I cannot seem to figure out how to use crates and storage units.  I have a storage unit built, several crates in my trade depot, but all the reactions in the storage unit are red.  How do I unpack the crates?   Am I missing something?

Workshop reactions are red, even with all the materials aviable.
Bug:
If a workshop is in a burrow, even if the burrow is inactive, then it accepts only materials within the same burrow.
Solution:
Make a bigger burrow including the materials, or keep the material stockpiles within the same burrow. Or delete the burrow.

I, and people like Psieye as well, have said that the standard definition of a script includes things like what happens on the military screen, or worldgen data, or even the raws.  I have been consisntant and clear, and the only confusion comes from you (plural... I could almost swear marcusbjol is your sockpuppet or something, as I've never seen people have such trouble with basic communication before) refusing to accept that "script" can ever mean anything besides the narrow definition you want it to mean.

All labradors are dogs.  Not all dogs are labradors. 
All scripting programming languages are based on scripts.  Not all scripts are scripting programming languages.

Considering as it appears as though half this thread has been trying to argue that I mean something completely different than what I've been saying just to satisfy someone else's arbitrary definition of a word, I'm not entertaining this line of argument any longer.

Still, just turn that argument around - why should there be hostile creatures in this game at all?  That's just forcing me to have military dwarves, and that's forcing me to play the game in the way that someone else envisioned.  Hey, why should the new version have underground caverns? That's just forcing me to play with someone else's vision of an underground world with fantastic underground biodiversity.

Suddenly, the society dwarves builds has to conform exactly to not just "Medieval society", but the specific form of medieval society you envision.

As I've said, there actually were divisions of social class, even among the peasantry, and among city-dwellers (when fortresses are, effectively, cities) there was such a thing as a middle class, and people could rise up to it by taking on the more prestigious jobs as apprentices.

The entire argument that the society of underground urban centers based around mining and smelting metal must be modeled exactly upon the social mores of a surface subsistance agrarian society is, frankly, pretty flimsy.

Also, I know you dislike arguments like this, but we are talking about a *lot* of time and investment to make this happen- for that much programming and balancing work, we could get disease, better pathfinding, fresh forms of insanity, improved sieges, maybe even a start on world interactions or the magic system.

So we should never suggest anything again, so that we don't accidentally give Toady an idea that he likes, which he might then have to impliment?  Maybe you misunderstand the nature of a "Suggestions Forum"? 

Yes, this is a big change, because this game needs a big change in this area for players to have the freedom to perform the actions they want to perform.  This game would be severely crippled if it was merely a place for dwarves to train between seiges, before quickly sluaghtering the seigers, then going back to training. 

As for "society is too technologically advanced for this time frame", tell me when the notion of goblins kidnapping people of other cultures, and seeing which ones rose to the top was part of the historical timeline, or the elven hippy culture, for that matter.

There is nothing technological stopping such societies from forming, and further, while only a very small percentage of the population did live in cities, cities did attract what could be called a middle class of tradesmen and merchants.  Until we get the adventurer mode update where we get large zones of rural agrarian people, DF is almost totally focused upon cities.

I proposed the system as it is because it fulfills the purpose that is needed to be fulfilled - giving players a reason to avoid letting their dwarves live a purely hand-to-mouth existence.