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General Discussion / Re: time traveler john titor
« on: February 08, 2011, 01:53:26 am »
from what i gather, your brother is trying to create a device that uses energy, otherwise wasted, to make a more efficient moter (at best).
 It's a hobby that he enjoys. why do you belittle your brother?. It does not make him insane to dream of a goal that is thought to be impossible.

It is possible that yes, John Titor is insane. If the story is false i find it more likely that he is perfectly sane, and a very good writer.

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General Discussion / Re: time traveler john titor
« on: February 08, 2011, 12:37:53 am »
Ya I think he's almost angry with the way we live(d?) our lives.

i find this quote particularly interesting.

Quote from: john titor
All of the questions asked have been answered in one way or another. You assume I am here to start a war?

Consider this: You are a time traveler who wishes to go back in time to 1941 because your grandparents live close to Pearl Harbor in Hawaii. You realize you can't stop the war but you may be able to help them prepare for it. Strangely, December 7th comes and goes with no sneak attack. As the war in Europe rages on, Japan fails to join the axis power, there is no war in the Pacific and the United States remains neutral. Then, you watch as Germany begins to develop the atomic bomb… all by themselves.

For a change, I have a question for all of you. I want you to think very hard. What major disaster was expected and prepared for in the last year and a half that never happened?

As far as war goes, I have faith you are quite capable of starting one all by yourself. I am hard pressed to accept any criticism on my outlook on that subject. Growing up might have been a vastly different experience for me than it was for most of you. Personal responsibility, determination, honor, friendship and self-reliance are not just words we try to live up to or fantasize about.

On my worldline, life is not easy. We live in a world recovering from years of war, poison, destruction and hate. All of it, courtesy of the thinking and actions of people that live right now in the same world you do, worrying about which stocks to buy or whether or not a stranger is lying to them on the Internet.

I believe that hardship and challenge develop character and community. My first experience with war came when I joined a shotgun infantry unit at the age of thirteen. In the 4 years I served as a "rebel", I watched hundreds of people get shot, burn and bleed to death. I know exactly where I was and every detail of the exact moment the first nuclear warheads began falling on Jacksonville. I know the pain and regret of not acting soon enough to enjoy a relationship as a loved one dies of brain cancer from a war that gained nothing.

How can you possibly criticize me for any conflict that comes to you? I watch every day what you are doing as a society. While you sit by and watch your Constitution being torn away from you, you willfully eat poisoned food, buy manufactured products no one needs and turn an uncaring eye away from millions of people suffering and dying all around you. Is this the "Universal Law" you subscribe to?

Perhaps I should let you all in on a little secret. No one likes you in the future. This time period is looked at as being full of lazy, self-centered, civically ignorant sheep. Perhaps you should be less concerned about me and more concerned about that.

perhaps he wanted to prepare his family for the upcoming war (by sending them to nebraska? {which was stated that the new U.S. capitol was moved there}) but somehow something went wrong, i think the incident he refers to as the disaster we all prepared for but ended up not happening may have been the y2k insident, in which all computers would fail. Maybe he feels a bit of guilt because he thinks he ruined our timeline for the worste.

John Titor is boring trolling about time travel.

Frequently Asked Questions About Time Travel is an awesome movie about time travel that is much more deserving of being poured over.  If you felt like wasting your time discussing him, then discuss this movie instead.

There are so many interesting things to discuss.  For instance, did Cassie delaying Ray on his trip to the bathroom help create the time leak?  Were Ray, Toby and Pete really famous in the future or were they just wikipedia level famous and Cassie just happened to be a fan?  Did Pete get lost in a jungle in the past or in the future?

you're very welcome to create you're own thread.

trolling or not, His story is well put together, very interesting, and told in a medium that is unique or rarely used.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: February 08, 2011, 12:10:43 am »
a sequel may go on to the alternate simon in the first episode of the series.

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General Discussion / Re: time traveler john titor
« on: February 08, 2011, 12:03:55 am »
Quote from: john titor
I appreciate the position you are in but you must realize that I am not affected in the least if you believe me or not.

Keep in mind that since this is not his worldline, it does not matter what happens to this one as it will change nothing in his worldline.

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General Discussion / Re: time traveler john titor
« on: February 07, 2011, 11:44:48 pm »
Stacked butterfly effect?

i.e. that jumping back to the last days of the ACW would introduce a "you" that has a small (but non-zero) possibility of perturbing the immediate future merely by 'being' where one hadn't been before.  (Increased if you go back with the express intention, and resources, to swing the war, but for now let's not ascribe such motives.)  But as more time passes from your arrival, the perturbations build up to cause many changes to Today's history.  And if you arrive a year or two prior to the war then there's more chance that the people you met in turn met (or didn't meet) other people, or other effects[1] and it's not just post-ACW times that change, but could be the outcome of the ACW itself.  Arrive at the time of the Revolution and it's even more likely.  Arrive even earlier and even more so.   (With all due apologies for this English person's ignorance of a lot of the nuances of your Rebellious Colony's recent history; i.e. the last two centuries or so... :) )




Still, while I'm not averse to acknowledging the existence of time-travellers, I find the overwhelming elegance of a stable time-loop just too obvious an idea to discard as an untested hypothesis.  Rather than reject this guy on the grounds of physical impossibility, I'm actually closer to rejecting his ideas because they make the universe look just too messy, if true.  Something with a Traveller experiencing something more akin to a Twelve Monkeys situation (not necessarily aware of the fact that what was in his Future self's past is going to be part of his Past self's future, but it's certainly possible) wouldn't arouse anything like the same level of doubts.


not exactly, what i was trying to get at.
John Titor's time machine has a range of 60 or so years before the worldline becomes completely different and its not necessarily that people make that change time, sometimes the change is just an atom moved 2 centimeters to the left. or the wind blowing pollen to a different flower.
 apparently in his worldline it is discovered by CERN that proves the existence of alternate universes. Keep in mind that to John Titor his views ARE proven, it would be like going back to the 1500's and claiming the earth was a sphere rather than flat.
im saying that if you traveled back in time to when the American civil war was supposed to occur, you've traveled so far away from your original worldline, that you may find out that there was no United states to begin with.


Quote
If that's the claim of the alleged Traveller, it's one possibility.  Without spending all (indeed any!) of my time looking through JT's writings on the subject, would anyone who has care to enlighten me as to whether the new timeline "branch" is supposed to be completely in addition (and parallel to) to the still-thriving original timeline, prune that timeline at the point of departure or to entirely remove the 'false start' branch immediately at the point of arrival, so that there is just one, crooked, branch with the otherwise inexplicable addition of the Traveller at the elbow of that crookedness?

Are you asking about why he was time travelling in the first place? You really should consider reading his posts, if anything they are very entertaining.
heres a quote from him
Quote from: John Titor
The first "leg" of my trip was from 2036 to 1975. After two VGL checks, the divergence was estimated at about 2.5% (from my 2036). I was "sent" to get an IBM computer system called the 5100. It was one the first portable computers made and it has the ability to read the older IBM programming languages in addition to APL and Basic. We need they system to "debug" various legacy computer programs in 2036. UNIX has a problem in 2038.


the rest of you're post was a compilation of movie and short story references. Of which i found irrelivent.

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General Discussion / Re: time traveler john titor
« on: February 07, 2011, 06:29:15 pm »
 JT describes the accepted theories of time travel of his worldline, in 2036. The problem with the "you can travel in time but only if you don't create a paradox" idea is that just by traveling back in time in the first place he has already changed it. He was breathing air that was not breathed before, and driving on grass that was not driven on before. that in itself is a paradox. The 'native' JT's family from our worldline moved from Florida to Nebraska after 'future' JT left from his visit. 'Future' JT has stated that he grew up in Florida. He already altered events in a way that may change the fact that he went back in time in the first place.


JT has repeatedly stated that he came from an alternate future. There were small changes in our history compared to his (different presidents, sports teams winning things like that), and estimated that our worldline is 2% different from his and he only traveled 38 or so years. if he were to travel farther back in time like a hundred years, The united states may have lost the revolutionary war.  The reason isn't because he changed anything, but because it is a completely different worldline, and the farther he travels the more distant he gets from his own worldline.

i dont know if im doing a very good job of explaining this.....

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: February 07, 2011, 05:40:13 pm »
any one wonder what the new season of gurren laggan is going to be like?

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General Discussion / Re: time traveler john titor
« on: February 07, 2011, 05:20:14 pm »
http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/TimeMachine.cfm concerning a bunch of technical information about his time machine.

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General Discussion / Re: time traveler john titor
« on: February 07, 2011, 05:11:47 pm »
Then he managed to save the world; thus making him no longer from our future.

If we did save our world, all memory of John Titor would be erased, due to him not being able to travel here to warn us, but seeings how we are discussing him, we have not saved the world.

well from what i have read of John's posts, the "Worldline" is much different than what he lived through. I dont think he would like this alternate timeline i dont think he would consider it saving the world at all.

he was never from "our" future to begin with, but an alternate future.

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General Discussion / time traveler john titor
« on: February 07, 2011, 04:15:07 pm »
i did a random search on time travel and found this guy kept popping up. any ideas on who this guy really is and if he is telling the truth?

http://www.johntitor.com/ a site dedicated to the mystery of john titor.

http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/TimeMachine.cfm concerning his time machine

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Gyrandor Age 1 Turn 5
« on: February 05, 2011, 11:25:59 am »
rolled a 5 + 17 +3 = 25 i do nothing

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Gyrandor Age 1 Turn 5
« on: February 04, 2011, 12:01:44 pm »
i guess i dont really have a lot of time for this game.....i rolled a total of 17 i guess i do nothing

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Gyrandor Age 1 Turn 5
« on: February 03, 2011, 07:27:29 pm »
ill post my turn in a sec this is a reserve post

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Gyrandor Age 1 Turn 4
« on: February 03, 2011, 01:47:55 pm »
i vote against ending the age, i still have a lot of terraforming i want to do

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Gyrandor Age 1 Turn 4
« on: February 02, 2011, 09:41:42 pm »
ah thats ok then

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