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General Discussion / Re: Energy futures
« on: October 06, 2011, 11:26:16 am »Controlled fusion power, though, has always been that technology that will be viable "20 years from now" ever since the 1970's. The best they ever seem to accomplish, no matter the scale or technique used, is a net gain of zero output for a few minutes, so it makes me wonder if there isn't some limit of physics making it impossible to net anything from these types of controlled-fusion reactors.To be clear, the 20 year thing (really 30 years) is an estimate on the time required to solve the engineering problems. I'd argue it's always been right, except the project to solve those problems and starting building the things never really started. Arguably ITER is that starting gun, although you can make an argument for the previous generation.
The whole thing is an engineering problem. The physics is entirely reasonable. It's creating an extreme environment that doesn't really compare well to anything we see elsewhere.
The sun is a fairly inefficient fusion generator compared to our energy needs. The rough fusion power at the core of the sun is 276.5 watts/m3. That is simply pathetic in terms of power generation. Human fusion devices have to work at higher temperatures to achieve realistic levels of fusion output. That's why, after their successful fusion runs, JET was referred to as the hottest place in the solar system at 10x the sun's core temperature.
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The fuel-pellet idea is new to be, I always wondered if they couldn't find a way to use the physics mechanism used to make nuclear weapons work into generating power. I'm guessing the lasers somehow circumvent the mass required for fusion chain reaction?Nah, there is no chain reaction.
Chain reactions in this sense would be in a fission bomb or fission plant, where each splitting atom donates a neutron (or more) to other surrounding atoms to stimulate their own fission. In fusion this doesn't happen. Rather it's the high energy density (temperature/pressure) that causes the fusion. Each ion in the plasma has to have high enough energy to overcome the coulomb repulsion of another ion to effectively touch (or close enough for the strong nuclear force) and fuse together.
In a continuing reaction (as in a magnetic confinement plant) you need to keep some of the released energy in the system to keep the temperature up. ITER looks to do this by leaving the resulting alpha particles in the plasma (till they lose their energy) while only gathering energy from the neutrons.* However, ICF fusion is entirely dependent on individual bursts of energy so there is no need for each generation of fused nuclei to donate anything to the next generation, and no way for them to anyway.
The lasers in this case are acting as the fission section of a two stage hydrogen fusion bomb. They are simply there to heat the fusion fuel up and compress it into a dense plasma suitable for the fusion reaction to take place. You don't really need to use lasers for this either; the Z Machine Z-pinch works on a similar principle using an x-ray pulse generated by passing extremely high currents through an array of tungsten wires. I believe they can use that on slightly larger amounts of fuel at any one time, but firing rate is even lower and harder to improve.
*D-T fusion gives one He ion (or alpha particle) at 3.5 MeV and one high energy neutron at 14.1 MeV.