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Quote from: endlessblaze on November 02, 2015, 10:32:12 am

Also keep in mind yin-yang bombs.

Fire and water, darkness and light, earth and sky,  desert and ocean.  They don't have to oppose.

They do if you have a functioning brain.

Quote from: wierd on January 20, 2015, 04:01:41 am

What I mean by that, is that the personality profiles used for demons have them all being "every demon for himself" in behavior, with subjugation and subservience to more powerful demons/beings being the norm down there.  Given that they are immortal, cannot reproduce, but still somehow exist in limitless numbers, there MUST be some kind of social order down there.  The most likely being small fiefdoms ruled by a central power figure, with less powerful minions held in thrall.  I would expect to find such enclaves in the hell layer.

I think "there MUST be some kind of social order down there" is dubious.  There certainly could be, in some cases; but remember that DF is intended to procedurally generate all sorts of different fantasy realms.  We simply don't have enough data on life as a creature that is not merely freed from the constraints of biology, but has never experienced them. 

How much of not just human history, but of all life we know, is dominated by the need to eat, the drive to reproduce, and the fear of death?  How much has been driven by the great gears of evolution... does this behavior make you more likely to breed before you die, and for your offspring to breed after you? 

I seem to recall some interesting research on the biological benefits of altruism, family & clan relationships, etc.; much of it came down to indirectly helping genes *like* yours pass on.  A creature that was created by godly or magical fiat, with no need or opportunity to breed, no heritage before or after, no genes, no need to eat, sleep, breed, age... would they even understand the *concept* of a society, let alone form one? 

Of course, some fantasy (and actual historical religion) sub-genres have elaborate pantheons, hundreds of hells or layers, and so on.  DF should be capable of generating those, and more; one world might have something bureaucratic and vaguely Chinese, another D&D + Planescape inspired, yet another pure creatures of crawling chaos.  Social structure should be *possible*, and should be procedurally generated to be interesting; but it shouldn't be assumed to be "human-like" for such disparate creatures.

I use 5x5 rooms with 15 beds around the outside and a gap for the door. Still assign each dwarf a bed and assigned the whole room. It divides out the material value a bit but with engraved walls will still give dwarves the "slept in a fantastic bedroom" thought. The benefit is if you get a vampire, he won't be able to feast on dwarves without being caught because nobody sleeps alone. Also its a very simple matter to tunnel out and house hundreds if it's in large blocks of fifteen.

Make sure your bedrooms are more than eight tiles from the surface so woodcutting doesn't disturb their sleep. Try and do your nearby mining and smoothing in as few hits as possible to minimise the noise disturbance.

It's a bad sign that 6 versions came out before we properly detected and reported such a huge bug. We had one job!

My dwarves will go without necessities for years while I painstakingly finalise the perfect design for what could otherwise have been a rectangular room with a few tables and chairs. Here's my latest meeting hall, for example.

From what I know slaves and prisoners are different slaves are forced to work for the civilization while prisoners are just waiting to  be freed bit a high rep allows you to recruit them while prisoners will just hop on your meatshield band of adventurers