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General Discussion / Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« on: October 30, 2011, 05:39:57 pm »
I think FPTP is the best system to have. As it is fair and you elect your own instead of the party choosing for you.
FPTP is atrocious, through and through. For systems with more than three parties, take a look at Arrow's impossibility theorem. There are plenty of better alternatives, too -- even dropping all the ballots into a box and choosing one at random is 'better' than FPTP. Range voting and approval voting are much, much better and they completely eliminate vote-splitting. Mathematically, both have a significantly higher chance of electing an individual favored by the majority.


But I would rather vote for someone, then have a group of people tell me who to vote for...


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Mafia / Re: Beginner's Mafia XXVIII - D2 - Passing [6/7, 1/2, 1/1]
« on: October 30, 2011, 05:23:55 pm »
Ok found some time during lunch to write out this reply.


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Yeah, I asked more than one question, most of which hadn't been asked of you before, which as Toaster pointed out you dodged.  And if I can force a slipup by asking a question redundantly, well then, that's not so pointless is it?

Toaster said I dodged the question so I went back and answered it.

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He already did show up and defend himself, which you probably would've noticed if you hadn't been lurking yourself.  How exactly did that sequence of events convince you he was noobscum and Dsarker was noobtown, anyway?
Besides that, no matter how good or bad your reasons are, you shouldn't be sitting on them from the beginning of D1 to halfway through D2, waiting for the target of a vague suspicion to respond.  Sure, you've started asking questions now, but what were you doing until now?  Sitting on admittedly poor reasons, doing nothing, and generally being useless to the town!

He didn't defend himself! He just showed up made a post about how he wasn't scum then left. In no way did he discredit my attack. He made a post on page 9 didn't post again till page 15. He basically said he wasn't answering any questions because he was afraid of getting lynched. The only people who are afraid of being lynched are scum! If he doesn't come out and help scumhunt then he's giving the victory over to the scum. So far that is the scummiest thing anyone has done so far so thats why my vote is still on him.


Yeah I am asking questions now, and you know why? because no one else is doing it. Everyone is waiting for another person to step up and make a case against a scum. Well the scum ain't going to show themselves unless we do something about it. We are all like Marines in a landing craft storming a beach. Yeah the first one off is likely to get shot but unless someone does it we are all going to get killed. I understand why it can seem scummy for me to all of a sudden be posting but unless we do something as the town we won't make it. Just don't shoot me in the back solely for trying, because that is a scummy thing to do.


Caz You gotta join in with the rest of us and help hunt scum.

Shoes, Toaster and Drakon please fill us in on your opinions.

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General Discussion / Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« on: October 30, 2011, 04:53:31 pm »
I think FPTP is the best system to have. As it is fair and you elect your own instead of the party choosing for you.

I hope those occupiers have warm clothing because the weather has no mercy during this time of year, almost makes you want global warming.

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Mafia / Re: Beginner's Mafia XXVIII - D2 - Passing [6/7, 1/2, 1/1]
« on: October 30, 2011, 03:33:11 pm »
I'm going to request an Extend as i'm wiring up my house and don't have time to post a full reply until tommorow or late tonight

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Mafia / Re: Beginner's Mafia XXVIII - D2 - Passing [6/7, 1/2, 1/1]
« on: October 30, 2011, 02:13:33 am »
Remalle Thanks for sharing who you suspect and for putting some conviction behind your words. Who do you suspect the least right now?

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How exactly did that sequence of events convince you he was noobscum and Dsarker was noobtown, anyway?
If you go back and read, you will see that I went from Drakon to Dsarker and then back to Drakon again. He has said a lot of stuff and hasn't backed it up yet, so that is why my vote is still on him

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but what were you doing until now?
Doing what everyone else was doing and not posting much, i'm taking Jim's advice and i'm trying to drum up interest in the game so the scum will expose themselves.

Shoesandhats

You're doing a good job at staying under the radar, would you care to come out and ask some questions and do some scumhunting?

Caz

As the doctor who would you be saving tonight?

drakon136

I'm still waiting for you to come out and put pressure on people you think are scummy not just wait around and vote whoever other people are going after.

Toaster I'll ask you two questions, who is giving off the strongest town vibes to you and who is acting the scummiest?


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Mafia / Re: Beginner's Mafia XXVIII - D2 - Passing [6/7, 1/2, 1/1]
« on: October 29, 2011, 11:32:54 pm »
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You didn't answer my question, and I'm pretty sure we're using different definitions of "redundant".

We could be, i'm using it in the sense that if i've already answered the question asking me it again is pointless.

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Ignore?  Would you ignore questions directed at you with a FoS based on a perceived lack of "conviction"?  Or maybe you'd only notice if I voted for you instead of Caz, seeing as my only ability as town is going to waste.

I might, or I might slouch it off. Right now there is nobody voting except for me and Caz. Why would Caz feel any pressure to answer your questions unless you were voting for him? Its night in about a day. Make him or someone else feel pressured otherwise we as town are screwed.

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Again, you didn't answer my question.  I'm so glad you had evidence on Drakon.  Would you care to share it with the rest of the class?

I had already stated my opinion and my reasons. To reiterate, during the RVS dsarker asked drakon a few questions and drakon freaked out, voted dsarker then started lurking.

Is that incredibly scummy? no but its the best lead I have and i'm going to continue to vote drakon until he shows up and defends himself.

Shark where are you? who do you suspect?


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Mafia / Re: Beginner's Mafia XXVIII - D2 - Passing [6/7, 1/2, 1/1]
« on: October 29, 2011, 10:49:29 pm »
Explain, please.  Explain why they're redundant, and explain how "redundancy" gives you the right to ignore them.

Odd how you ask that then quote my post that has all the reasons as to why they are redundant.

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You're either missing my point or ignoring it.  You were, if not pressuring, nudging me to vote for Caz

I'm asking you to have some conviction behind your words, asking easy questions without pressuring is easy to ignore for Caz, throw a vote somewhere, use your only ability as town otherwise you're acting scummy.

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What mistakes?  What made you think you had enough evidence that early in D1 to decide Dsarker wasn't scum?

I had no evidence that Dsarker wasn't scum, just like I had no evidence that Drakon wasn't either. I thought the evidence was better on Drakon then Dsarker.

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General Discussion / Re: Strange Things you've eaten?
« on: October 29, 2011, 10:22:28 pm »
I've had ostrich.

It was tasty

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Mafia / Re: Beginner's Mafia XXVIII - D2 - Passing [6/7, 1/2, 1/1]
« on: October 29, 2011, 10:04:03 pm »
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What's your actual response to his allegations?

Well his questions were redundant

Trying to call both scum at once, diverting all suspicion from yourself? No

Trying to get me to vote for someone that's not you?  You haven't yet cast a vote, let alone on me.

I seem to recall you random voting Drakon at first and then doing nothing for the rest of the day I didn't have much time and Dsarker to me was acting much more like noobtown then noobscum. Drakon made some mistakes then lurked for the rest which is why I still suspect him.

So who do you suspect the Remalle?

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Mafia / Re: Beginner's Mafia XXVIII - D2 - Passing [6/7, 1/2, 1/1]
« on: October 29, 2011, 09:34:31 pm »
Remalle, why don't you throw a vote at Caz if you suspect him? Are you just soft balling your teammate?
Because the day had just started.  There's still plenty of time to vote him AFTER I collect enough evidence against him (er, or so I assume.  I'm not actually sure when the day ends, but I guess there's at least twenty-four hours left?).
How about you, Andrew?  Trying to call both scum at once, diverting all suspicion from yourself?  Trying to get me to vote for someone that's not you?  What were you doing on D1, anyway?  I seem to recall you random voting Drakon at first and then doing nothing for the rest of the day.

Why are you acting so defensive? It was a simple question

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Mafia / Re: Beginner's Mafia XXVIII - D2 - Passing [6/7, 1/2, 1/1]
« on: October 29, 2011, 04:29:37 pm »

Andrew425 - Who do you suspect to be scum?


I had just put in my vote for Drakon, why are you asking me again?

Caz, who do you think was happiest voting out dsarker yesterday?

Remalle, why don't you throw a vote at Caz if you suspect him? Are you just soft balling your teammate?

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Mafia / Re: Beginner's Mafia XXVIII - D2 - Passing [6/7, 1/2, 1/1]
« on: October 28, 2011, 05:15:58 pm »
So then drakon who do you currently suspect and why?

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Mafia / Re: Beginner's Mafia XXVIII - D2 - Passing [6/7, 1/2, 1/1]
« on: October 28, 2011, 03:19:11 pm »

Andrew, you've been very passive about your posts. You haven't really had any picks this whole game. Is there anyone you suspect, at all?



I've been going through the chats many times. From what I can see, everyone piled on dsarker for some of his missteps except for diakron, who voted dsarker out of spite because dsarker was voting for him. Also the fact that he hasn't shown up to defend himself makes me suspect him

Diakron136




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Mafia / Re: Wild West Mafia - GAME OVER - Scum Win!
« on: October 27, 2011, 11:28:12 pm »
I had a great time learning from you guys

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Mafia / Re: Beginner's Mafia XXVIII - D2 - Passing [6/7, 1/2, 1/1]
« on: October 27, 2011, 06:36:33 pm »
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Andrew:  Your last post of the day was RVS-style questioning.  Do you have any picks that are worthy of mention, now that it's D2?

I don't have any as of yet. This is my first time making it to the second day so I don't know what kind of questions to ask. I guess I will keep doing some RVS until someone slips up

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