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That post was directed towards webadict, you goof.I claim Z, Darvi claims Y, Toaster claims X, and you claim W.Logic fail. Either I or toaster had to lie.
I claim to have sent in Y, Darvi claims to have sent in Z, Toaster claims to have sent in W, and you claim to have sent in Q. Either you or Toaster must be lying.
If you put sarcasm/a joke/funny stuff onto a vote I take it seriously.Nope.Snarkasm man, do you speak it?
We just disagreed. I don't think you're any scummier for it.
This is one of the worst logical leaps I've seen in a while. Do you really think the rolenames will make such a big difference as to being able to catch fakeclaims? It's not like one role name is inherently more scummy- it's not like there's a giant DEFCON warning going on.Yes.
Nope.You're right. Just webadict and leafsnail are scum.Indeed OB, disagreeing with you makes one automatically scum.
Bolded it for you, as it appears I wasn't clear enough the first time.I've analysed my anti-massclaim thinking and found a huge fucking error.So what is the conclusion you came to and why did it make you change your mind?
I've been acting like this is a normal game, where we don't know the names of eachothers roles.
I am a huge derp.
Orange: At what point does a massclaim rally stop being rolefishing and start being... a massclaim? How many people have to claim first (for you to get a good fakeclaim going)?Incredibly passive attack aside, this is more than enough for me to claim. One was more than enough for me to claim. I just don't agree with a day one massclaim because of the huge risks involved.
Orangebottle:You're right. Just webadict and leafsnail are scum.Welp, there's scum #2. I'm guessing their strategy this game is,"Be first people to claim so we can't possibly look like scum, then force everybody else to claim by pressuring them." #3 is probably Jack.No. You're transcending the simple OMGUS and are now attacking everyone who agrees with webadict because they must obviously be scum. It's all a damn conspiracy to force a massclaim, you tell us.
Those claiming the earliest are in most danger of being caught out in a lie as mafia. Especially since everyone has a night action and we'll be able to observe those whose actions are comfirmable, as well as using our inspections to eradicate liars. So I'll claim now and vote anyone who remains reluctant to claim. What do you think of that, Dariush? Fakeclaims are easiest when you're the last one to claim (see: Bellsounder, where I managed to dodge a massclaim by being dead at the time). Right? I think lynching the most reluctant person to claim could provide a good incentive to claim early rather than tailor your fakeclaim to those who have already gone.Welp, there's scum #2. I'm guessing their strategy this game is,"Be first people to claim so we can't possibly look like scum, then force everybody else to claim by pressuring them." #3 is probably Jack.
Webadict has expressed his enthusiasm for early massclaims in the Game Theory Discussion thread (well, he suggested it for Paranormal but that should equally apply to a role heavy game like this one). Are you suggesting he somehow predicted he'd be a jester in the next game and therefore decided to set himself up as doing this in advance?No. I'm suggesting nothing beyond the text of that quote.
Your response to Webadict reeks of OMGUS.And? When two people suspect eachother, OMGUS tends to happen. It's not even the worst type of OMGUS, which is reasonless.
Since Web's reasons for trying to "force through a massclaim" are "awful", what would be a good reason for a D1 massclaim?Maybe somebody getting daykilled, and definitely a lot of people getting daykilled all at once.
You have a problem with the King being able to be RVSlynched? Really?I was RVSlynched in KoTM12 as town.
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You can be RVSlynched in any game ever.
I thought I'd ask something a little more interesting this game, but in asking a specific question I wanted a specific answer. Care to provide one?Dariush. Let's say you're a combined Doctor-roleblocker that can perform both actions at once. Where does your protect land tonight? Your block? Why?I'll protect someone I consider town and block someone I consider scum. Why the oddly specific question?
Yes, because rolefishing is bad. Except, I'm rolefishing someone who I believe isn't town. Why wouldn't town be interested in the roles of other factions?Powder Miner: That's why you're so excited right now! You drew third party. So, tell us, which third party are you?Also this. Obvious rolefishing is obvious, OB.
"Because I said so" is a terrible reason. So is,"It's better than any question I've seen so far".Webadict, I don't even... Why?Because I said so, it's better than any question I've seen so far, and it stops fakeclaims later. Come up with a reason why not, and we'll talk.
However, Orangebottle, seeing as how you have just proven that fakeclaims are better to have earlier in the game, as then you cannot change your role to fit other people's actions, your twenty minutes go completely counter to your message. Explain how hiding your pathetic role makes sense. Is it because you're mafia, and incredibly unintelligent? I mean, I remember it taking you a good amount of time for you to fakeclaim in BYOP, so I can understand the need to buy time.Nice job, implying that scum are the only people who want to hide their roles on day one. I'm only buying time for everybody by opposing the massclaim. Cops, trackers, watchers, etc. need time to do their thing. If I wanted to fakeclaim, I would've done it already. I'd need even less time on day one, because I wouldn't need to claim actions and make sure everything fits.
This way, the most information is shared to the most number of players. And seeing as how I may or may not be dead tomorrow, I'm going to order a massclaim today, because I think RVS is one of the most useless pieces of garbage that has ever existed.I have never seen you say that before. Ever.
So, fell free to claim any time now, and I'll consider unvoting you. (I won't actually consider unvoting you because you're acting far too sly too allow to live. Especially with passive attacks.)Passive attacks? I don't see any.
Also, consider your own words: You think I'm a jester. Why? If I WERE a jester, explain how NOT lynching me would be more beneficial to anyone. If you lynch a jester, nothing happens except them winning. So, why are you purposefully avoiding being suspicious of me? It's really just a lazy attempt to ignore me. Not only that, but you're worried far too much about third party roles, rather than scum.As I said, it was mostly a gut feeling. One that's definitely changed over the course of this post. Not lynching a jester means you have a vote you can use to potentially lynch scum. And yes, I'm worried about third party roles, for very good reasons. DEFCON is not a fun way to end a game at all.
Also, my abilities are fairly easy to prove.
No, we're massclaiming. I'm proving that it beats RVS. In fact, not mass claiming makes it look like you can't come up with a good fakeclaim.I spent a good twenty minutes laughing my ass off at this. I was the last remaining scum in the last game, because of my fakeclaiming.
