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Life Advice / Re: Getting Stressed Over Nothing
« on: December 20, 2010, 11:34:11 am »
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There are several different physical sources of the stress response. The first is the standard fight/flight hormonal response. The second is how stimulated your nervous system is. There are more, but they're harder to categorize.

The signs of happiness are all signs of a self-stimulated nervous system. This causes small muscle contractions that cause a person to stand straight, shoulders back, smiling, and so forth. It further causes a person to walk/run much faster and even think faster. it's this reason that before sports games the teams cheer each other on and give motivational speaches - it gives better performance. It's also one of the reasons (though not hte only reason) that exercise is useful to depressed people. It works both ways, so if you walk quickly (try 120 steps/minute, it's hard to keep up), then you should feel a little better.

After 6 weeks of doing this all the time, the energy-producing parts of your cells will actually multiply to compensate for the extra energy your using. Thus if you keep this up (for about 6 weeks), it will become easier to maintain and you'll in general have more energy.
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I'm not sure if you actually have a fight/flight response going on here. What you're describing sounds more like normal depression. However, I'll list a few things to combat that anyways. The system that combats that response also causes erections, sleep, digestion, salivation, deficating and urinating. For some reason I doni't know, it also responds to deep breathing. You can't control it directly, but you can control it through behavior (which your hormones just follow). I'd suggest you get laid if possible, eat, poop, and sleep. Oh wait, you do those anyways? well try deep breathing.

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Tell people that you're part-reptile:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptile#Circulatory
Full of win!

It depends on the reaction you want out of people really. If they want to know why you can't do something, you tell them it's because of a heart condition. If they want to know what heart condition, say you're part reptile, smile, and then say you have a hole inside your heart that mixes oxygenated blood with unoxygenated blood.

I know that everyone is different, but I would personally want to know all sorts of details. I would want to know where the hole is at, what the name of it is, how much work you can do before you start feeling it, and so forth. Of course, I'm the kind of guy that would videotape his own surgeries... so guesstimate the type of audience first.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheism Redux
« on: December 20, 2010, 10:38:32 am »
If it didn't happen by 'chance' then I want my money back, as any creator worth her salt could have done a much better job.
That's quite a statement as A: you paid no money and B: until we provably can do a better job, we can't say that. And even then, how would we know if our creation of "better" wasn't God's purpose for humans all along?
Right now I'm attempting to program a simulation of the world (yes really, no not accurate and yes very abstracted), but the sheer variety of Nature is boggling. Trying to match all that is next to impossible.

Try it. Design something better than it is in real life, and make sure that you also have a universe in which it can live, and it must be able to evolve from basic elements.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a combination of two arguments. The first is intelligent design versus natural order (which is easily refuted), and the second is that the because nature is extremely complex and beyond our complete understanding, god must have done it.

The god of the gaps can only be refuted when we are so intelligent and powerful that we are gods ourselves. Until then, there will always be a gap for some obscure god to fill in. Even though the gaps we currently have are large though, they are ones that don't directly interfere with our lives. While a being could inhabit those areas, it's not a being that's worth worshiping. If no one worships it, and it doesn't affect our actions or environment in any way, then why are we still calling it a god of ours? We could just as easily be a fringe fecal byproduct of their microscopic creation 20 galaxies over.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheism Redux
« on: December 19, 2010, 10:46:54 am »
-Stuff-

None of this matters

The only thing that does, is when you look up at the sky, and begin to contemplate its vastness do you go "Wow, there is no way something this amazing could have happened just by chance" or "Wow, its amazing how all of this happened just by chance"

That is a (bad) justification for a god, but it's not a justification for any specific god. The only god that such reasoning even somewhat supports is the so vague as to be useless anyways. Such a god doesn't need to be worshiped, and certainly isn't Yahweh or Jesus or Vishnu.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheism Redux
« on: December 18, 2010, 10:17:51 pm »
Shrugging Khan has been muted for a week, just now.  I hope people can keep it together.
And the forum becomes much quieter.

Anyways, It's relatively easy to disprove the existence of god as long as god has a definition to compare to. I've said this before in this thread (several times). If god has any meaning at all for us, then he's testable.

A few tests so far:
Does the god answer prayers for health?
- Answer is no
Is the world flat?
- The answer is no
Is hell below us?
- The answer is no
Was the earth created in 6 days?
- The answer is no
Does believing in god cause peace?
- The answer is no
Are worshipers guaranteed to win in battle?
- The answer is no
Do worshipers live longer than non-worshipers?
- The answer is no
Are people made directly out of dust?
- The answer is no
Are bats birds?
- the answer is no

In fact, we know so much about the universe that I hardly see any room left for god. It's not only that no evidence exists for god's existence, it's that every scientific claim that came from the god hypothesis has been proven false, or at best not requiring a god to happen.

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General Discussion / Re: "Childhood" wasted
« on: December 18, 2010, 01:28:49 am »
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carefree childhood to be spoiled
Pssst. "Carefree childhood" is an idolized idea with some roots in romanticism (...and the eradication of child abuse...) but it's and abstract concept that's a total waste of practical time.

Not that you can't have "carefree" time at all. If I had spent more time in my childhood building useful skills, I would have more "carefree" time now. However, not all children are responsible enough to ration their time between amusement and actually practical stuff, hence there's a need for more mandatory practical time usage.
I think you'll find that's not at all true. Test this by asking people who started to work from a young age, and then ask people who describe their childhood as carefree. Which ones spend more of their time working? They are the ones that have less care free time.
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But remember that we live on average 78 years or so (more if you make it past your childhood years). For the 1st 10 to 20 years, most people are idiots anyways. Then take into account how long it takes to learn enough to be useful to society from the level of an 8th grade education. It's practically no time at all (a couple of years, maybe). So even if you're in your 50's and you still work as a hamburger flipper at the same place you've worked since you were 15, there is still enough time to get an education, become useful to society, and possibly even start a new revolution or so. While there probably is a limit to human potential in a lifetime, I think I can safely say that it hasn't been reached yet, and it isn't likely to be reached in the next century or 20.
Best response yet. My reply: Yes, I should live to play WoW until I'm over the hill and then panic and try to do something with myself. Non-satirically: It is of my differentiating opinion that self indulgence is not controlled well enough in society.
One extreme to the other? The point is that if you feel like your life isn't useful right now, you have the time to change that completely. There is no need (or good reason) to enforce early specialization and dumbing down of our children. If you think you've waisted your childhood, you are romanticizing what life would have been like if you worked your ass off as an apprentice. Apprenticeships don't make for smarter or harder working or more useful citizens, they only make for more specialized citizens.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheism Redux
« on: December 18, 2010, 01:19:15 am »
Through what means would you prove this? "Jesus was originally something like Yeshua (the pronunciation in Mel Gibsons crazy film), which if it was translated in the standard form would be Joshua." Jesus is Greek for Joshua.

Originally from talking to my catholic brother, my trivia-knowing father, and some other unknown source. However, confirmed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua_%28name%29#Original_name_for_Jesus

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General Discussion / Re: This is ridiculous (warning(?) google BS)
« on: December 18, 2010, 01:14:24 am »
I'm an atheist and a philosopher so I have an equal mental and so then social standing at least.

You're too young to be claiming you're a philosopher. You have minimal education and have little to no knowledge of this world. And besides, just cause you're an Atheist doesn't mean you shouldn't read the Bible.
<insert your favorite troll face here>
I'll bite anyways though.

I think it's safe to say that age doesn't matter, much like gender, or for that matter art degrees. While knowledge of the world is certainly useful, any small piece of it could technically disprove every point of someone else. combine that with the fact that everyone has at least SOME knowledge of the world, this becomes somewhat irrelevant for considering respect; or for that matter, a debate. If a person doesn't know something, then you should be able to teach them.

As for the thought that an atheist should read the christian bible, why? Most people don't even read the constitution to their country, let alone state, let alone even know the laws where they live. The Bible is far less useful in everyday life than that. In importance to philosophy, I'd rate it among comic books.

In importance to culture, perhaps higher, but only because so many people think specific parts of it are factual. Even that is cherry picked though, as evidenced by their actions. We don't, for example, follow much of anything form Leviticus, the book of laws. Most people also don't believe a bat is a type of bird, even if they believe that moses held two huge walls of water while thousands of slaves walked through a canyon under the red sea.


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General Discussion / Re: "Childhood" wasted
« on: December 18, 2010, 12:59:23 am »
I woke up and realized I hate myself for wasting my entire childhood. I have no significantly marketable nor appreciable skills save for what I gained from schooling.

What is the purpose of "childhood"? Looking at any other animal, "play" and "fun" is mostly training for and practicing things they'll have to do when they're adults, fighting and hunting and such. Modern times with humans, "fun" and "play" usually has almost nothing to do with adult life. I'm thinking of back in the day when social economic output wasn't high enough to sustain a large unemployed population. Early industrialization and prior when children were miniature adults training to be adults. Would I rather have a "childhood" under heavy responsibility as an apprentice for a dangerous job? No, living conditions were horrible, but it would have done a whole lot more for me. Sure there's "imaginative" play, building motor and coordination, honing social skills, and a bunch of other essential skills every human needs to function, but children aren't really "trained" for any significantly useful jobs anymore and the modern generations are being raised on fantasy worlds and trained to live in Skinner's boxes. At best, some become moderately proficient in useful technical computer skills, but uncomfortable truth: Some people really do completely piss away their lives and it's even easier than ever and it's practically encouraged.

I wish I could go back in a time machine, slap those stupid games and toys out of my hand and give myself some textbooks, certificates of deposit, and something skill based like a musical instrument or programming books or art supplies or anything really. It's only now I realize what a stupid stupid waste of time my childhood was with my stupid toys. Thank god for (mostly) mandatory education, else I'd probably an entirely useless individual.

We need mandatory apprenticeship starting at or just before kindergarten to make up for the completely worthless and mind-rotting modern forms of entertainment. I like the modern standard of living, but now I can really really appreciate the usefulness and future preparation that was old-world "childhood", before the childhood stage was idolized into the whole "protect the children from the horrors of adulthood" thing.

/rant

shouldn't this be in the Life Advice section? Anyways, with all your good thinking and interesting insights, there are a few small problems that I see that change the perspective quite a lot.

Play is always learning, learning can always be playing, and learning is always useful to society. However, apprenticeships are not always playing and not always learning. Often they can be quite boring, menial labor that the master just doesn't want to do. Also, apprenticeships can easily become useless with a new advance in technology. My father, for example, was a journeymen (below the master, above the apprentice) in the very lucritive trade of tools and dyes. They were the ones that made high quality equipment, and his entire field was replaced by machinery that could do his job easier.

Also, practicing for things we'll do as adults does not just mean hunting and other hunter/gatherer, agricultural, or industrial jobs. Practicing for things we'll do as adults includes things like being able to type and use a computer, understanding how to type letters and talk to people, learning how to exercise, or learning to analyze your thoughts and correct mistakes. So already

Mind-rotting entertainment is a waste of time I would admit though. Watching Jersey Shore should be a matter of embarrassment. Watching House, however, is semi-educational. Watching Mythbusters (or anything on the big learning channels) is even better.

But remember that we live on average 78 years or so (more if you make it past your childhood years). For the 1st 10 to 20 years, most people are idiots anyways. Then take into account how long it takes to learn enough to be useful to society from the level of an 8th grade education. It's practically no time at all (a couple of years, maybe). So even if you're in your 50's and you still work as a hamburger flipper at the same place you've worked since you were 15, there is still enough time to get an education, become useful to society, and possibly even start a new revolution or so. While there probably is a limit to human potential in a lifetime, I think I can safely say that it hasn't been reached yet, and it isn't likely to be reached in the next century or 20.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheism Redux
« on: December 18, 2010, 12:28:43 am »
It's unclear who is on what side. Please state your beliefs next post.
I'm pretty sure we can prove that any meaningful god does not exist. I am more than positive we have proved the christian god to be a myth if the christian cannon was to be taken literally.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheism Redux
« on: December 18, 2010, 12:00:59 am »
What's the general opinion of the acts of the Israelites during the Old Testament? Cruel?

First try at a best seller. They did ok, but they ended up rewriting parts and adding stuff, they also redid one of the main characters renaming Joseph to Jesus. He did way better with the younger crowd and teenagers.

It sold better but after a while they just bundled it up and it took off, sales where through the roof.

Oh yeah, Mel Gibson bought the movie rights, I liked the book more. LOTR is way better in book or movie. I would get that for christmas instead of the "Bible, the Directors Cut".
Funny. Because I'm a stickler for these things though, Jesus was originally something like Yeshua (the pronunciation in Mel Gibsons crazy film), which if it was translated in the standard form would be Joshua. Out of the two, I'd pick the movie though any day (perhaps gore edited down to pg-13). The story was a bit lame, but the sound and visuals were amazing.

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General Discussion / Re: Christmas too commercial
« on: December 17, 2010, 11:53:07 pm »
Christmas is being torn into two holidays: Jesus's birthday, and a secular winterfest. They are separate and should be recognized as such. That being said, I love receiving presents, time off from school, and the Christmas season itself. I hate its extensive commercialization, but then, I hate capitalism (or at least the sort we have now) in general.

But then it would be celebrated sometime in the spring, and it would have missed the whole point. It was put on December 25th specifically to convert other religions who respected that day. The Catholics were quite shameless about combining philosophies for the purpose of conversion.

Commercialization isn't the fault of the companies in my opinion though, as they're just using whatever excuse they can to get you to buy their stuff. If it wasn't christmas, it would be another day (and it often is. Black Friday anyone? Valentines day? Mothers Day? etc etc). Ideally we wouldn't ever feel the obligation, which is where I think the biggest problem lies.

Every year I tell people to get me only what they think I'd like, and the ones with teh most thought are always my favorites. The expensive Nook I got from my parents? It's nice. The $5 plastic filing cabinet I got from my brother-in-law a few years ago? Absolutely amazing.

My oldest genetic brother once asked me to specify "any type of music that you think I might like". I told him "anything you might like, seriously". Trying to prove his point, he asked about goat-herder yodeling or something. I said "sure, if you think I'll like it". Trying to rpove his poing further, he gave me a joke CD called "flute music of the Andes". The "real" present was a few posters hidden in the basement, but that CD is still one of my favorite.

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General Discussion / Re: This is ridiculous (warning(?) google BS)
« on: December 17, 2010, 11:43:32 pm »
The issue is not that Pokemon porn exists on the internet. The problem is that it appeared on Google images while using the filter that is supposed to block that sort of thing. The filter is not just for children, it is also for people who don't want porn mixed with their results. 


Iceball go in your room and read you're Bible! I'm older therefore I can order you around.


Oh god, not the bible.

That thing is filled with sex and incest, and violence.


Yeah, funny how people automatically assume it's safe for kids when something with a similar level of violence and sex wouldn't be allowed in the house.

I formally acknowledge both points. it is a shame that a filter designed to keep out porn can't ever be made perfect. They would have to develop some really crazy boob and penis recognition software before it could get very close. And then cartoon porn is even harder.

And the bible... if most christians read it in a version they understood, their worlds would collapse. If it were made into a movie, it would be rated X by far.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheism Redux
« on: December 17, 2010, 12:07:45 pm »
Depends on how ya look at it. Do you consider circumcision mutilation? If so then yes.
What's worse is female circumcision. Male circumcision is the equivalent to cutting off earlobes, or pinkies. Female circumcision is the equivalent to gutting out the entire ear, or every finger but the thumb. It's... horrible.

Anyways, I just had an almost interesting visit by some christians who wanted to teach about the truth of christmas. I reflexively winced and told them "no thank you, I'm an atheist. I celebrate christmas because I'm culturally christian, not by belief.

They thanked me, asked me if I knew that Jesus wasn't born in December. "That's right," I said, "born in the springtime."
"Do you know why it's in december?" they asked.
"Yeah, We celebrate it now for the same reason we use christmas trees and eggs and easter bunnies. The catholics did it that way to convert other religions".
They smiled, thanked me and went on their way. That was better than I was expecting from door-to-door christian evangelists.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheism Redux
« on: December 16, 2010, 10:51:35 pm »
this loosely reminds me of a critique on the question why. Re looking up the video in question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMFPe-DwULM

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