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General Discussion / Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« on: April 07, 2015, 11:59:04 pm »
By "Believe in an objective universe", I mean that I think it exists, in much the same way I believe the computer I'm typing on exists.
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General Discussion / Re: Bay12 2016 Election Megathread- It Is Terrifying
« on: April 07, 2015, 10:25:37 pm »Both Gandhi and King owed much of the success of their civil disobedience campaigns to the rising tide of violence that preceded them. When a full scale war -that looks to be an extremely dirty one- seems about to break out, someone willing to risk their lives without violence -someone who won't fight on philosophical grounds, but has courage enough to gain the respect of even the most warlike of men- becomes a very attractive way out.
Yup. I'll also note, MLK and probably also Ghandi used widespread economic violence as an important part of their campaigns, through the use of boycotts.
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General Discussion / Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« on: April 07, 2015, 06:49:47 pm »Could the afterlife occur in a different universe? Where things last forever?
Theoretically, sure. The point I'd make, though, is that given enough time, you would no longer be you. Things change, including people, and given enough time, they become unrecognizable. Once you've lived a trillion trillion years, learned everything there is to know human history, dreamt of everything, loved everything, hated everything, come to know every other human being, climbed every mountain, every tree, walked every inch that ever was and ever will be, you won't recognize yourself.
As for my morality, it's based on "We're all each other's got, just us against the universe." Universe is a dick, and it's my job to dick it right back, and make it service humans.
...And now I'm imagining porn of this. THANKS DESCAN
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General Discussion / Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« on: April 07, 2015, 06:23:35 pm »A question for the atheists: If you had the option of an afterlife, would you take it?
Depends on the details.
Question for everybody: Do you think that humanity as a whole needs a collective mythos?
Define "Mythos".
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General Discussion / Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« on: April 07, 2015, 03:51:09 pm »
Tapeworms: Eeeeeeeeewwwwwwww...
1) Agree
2) Yup
3) Agree
3b) Yup
4) Well, sorta - Remember, you're not properly matter, you're the pattern that matter makes. If someone we're to switch every atom in my body for an Identical atom, I wouldn't even notice. By the same token, if they were to create a perfect computer simulation, that too would be me. This is complicated by the fact that your "pattern of self", if you will, extends beyond your physical body. It includes your possessions, the places you frequent, and even the people you know. Which makes recreating or simulating it pretty difficult. You could probably get "Close Enough", of course.
5) Hmm...
a) Nope, there are more important things to me.
b) This ones pretty nice, though.
6) Yeah, this sounds pretty good. Though it won't be immortality unless you figure out how to beat entropy, which is likely impossible. But another couple hundred years sounds pretty nice.
Yeah, I do this too, and it forms the center of my considerations. But I care about other people and wish them to do well. I suppose really, it comes down to the fact that I'm really greedy - I want not only my own happiness, but everyone elses as well.
So for those of us who are Atheists, what kind of beliefs do you hold? What things are important to you, what do you base your morals on, what do you find meaningful, etc?-Snip-
1) Agree
2) Yup
3) Agree
3b) Yup
4) Well, sorta - Remember, you're not properly matter, you're the pattern that matter makes. If someone we're to switch every atom in my body for an Identical atom, I wouldn't even notice. By the same token, if they were to create a perfect computer simulation, that too would be me. This is complicated by the fact that your "pattern of self", if you will, extends beyond your physical body. It includes your possessions, the places you frequent, and even the people you know. Which makes recreating or simulating it pretty difficult. You could probably get "Close Enough", of course.
5) Hmm...
a) Nope, there are more important things to me.
b) This ones pretty nice, though.
6) Yeah, this sounds pretty good. Though it won't be immortality unless you figure out how to beat entropy, which is likely impossible. But another couple hundred years sounds pretty nice.
Angle: what I find important is myself and mine. Go out of your way to help those you can, and don't obstruct those you can't. I base morality on what is good for myself- my reputation, my memory, and my self-image.
Yeah, I do this too, and it forms the center of my considerations. But I care about other people and wish them to do well. I suppose really, it comes down to the fact that I'm really greedy - I want not only my own happiness, but everyone elses as well.
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General Discussion / Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« on: April 07, 2015, 03:23:50 pm »
So for those of us who are Atheists, what kind of beliefs do you hold? What things are important to you, what do you base your morals on, what do you find meaningful, etc?
For myself, I believe, no, I work under the assumption, that there is an objective universe, and that while our perceptions of it may be flawed, we can learn about it if we try hard enough. I value truth and honesty, and struggle above all else to be honest with myself, to not lie to myself or trick myself into believing things that aren't true.
My morals are largely based on what I want, and what I feel is right, and a whole lot of logic and consideration of whether my various values and desires are consistent with each other, and how best to enact them. As for what I want... Well, obviously it all comes down to the pursuit of Felicity, or the state of being happy. And in order to really be happy, I need the people around me to be happy. So I pursue
Also, I feel that the universe is vast and cold, and doesn't care about us in the slightest, and that ultimately it will kill us and destroy everything we've ever loved. And I don't really like that, so much of what I do is a way to metaphorically give the universe the finger. "I don't care if none of it matters in the end, I'm going to live my life as best I can, and I'm going to try and help others to do the same. So suck it!"
For myself, I believe, no, I work under the assumption, that there is an objective universe, and that while our perceptions of it may be flawed, we can learn about it if we try hard enough. I value truth and honesty, and struggle above all else to be honest with myself, to not lie to myself or trick myself into believing things that aren't true.
My morals are largely based on what I want, and what I feel is right, and a whole lot of logic and consideration of whether my various values and desires are consistent with each other, and how best to enact them. As for what I want... Well, obviously it all comes down to the pursuit of Felicity, or the state of being happy. And in order to really be happy, I need the people around me to be happy. So I pursue
Also, I feel that the universe is vast and cold, and doesn't care about us in the slightest, and that ultimately it will kill us and destroy everything we've ever loved. And I don't really like that, so much of what I do is a way to metaphorically give the universe the finger. "I don't care if none of it matters in the end, I'm going to live my life as best I can, and I'm going to try and help others to do the same. So suck it!"
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General Discussion / Re: Bay12 2016 Election Megathread- It Is Terrifying
« on: April 06, 2015, 09:23:18 pm »
That's not the market, that's all the people who pointed fingers and said "Fuuuuuuck no!" The market allowed segregation to go on for an entire century.
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General Discussion / Re: Bay12 2016 Election Megathread- It Is Terrifying
« on: April 06, 2015, 09:11:38 pm »Fair enough, I guess I just don't see why anyone would chose to screw someone they have nothing against over when the other option involves bettering their "class" and moving up while the screwing people over choice does absolutely nothing for them.I might not have faith in the good nature of humankind as a whole, but I do have faith in the self interest of the corporation; if there is a profit to be made then somebody is going to do it.Eh, on this point I'm afraid I'll need to disagree with you. There are enough places where being a dick outweighs self interest that it makes me uneasy.
Yeah, I don't understand it either, but it clearly happens, *Cough Indiana Cough*, so there you have it.
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General Discussion / Re: Bay12 2016 Election Megathread- It Is Terrifying
« on: April 06, 2015, 09:03:47 pm »I might not have faith in the good nature of humankind as a whole, but I do have faith in the self interest of the corporation; if there is a profit to be made then somebody is going to do it.
Eh, on this point I'm afraid I'll need to disagree with you. There are enough places where being a dick outweighs self interest that it makes me uneasy.
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Creative Projects / Re: Agora, A better forum (Open Source Project): Now with Github
« on: April 06, 2015, 01:25:16 pm »
I've gone ahead and applied the GPL to the work. So there's that, now. I've also created a corporation for the project, and soon I'll be applying for 501 c (3) status.
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General Discussion / Re: Bay12 2016 Election Megathread- It Is Terrifying
« on: April 04, 2015, 10:54:42 pm »Transhumanism - check
Eliminating corporations / mass decentralization / resource economics - check
More egalitarian forms of democracy - check
Basic income - check
Embrace automation (and whatever else makes labor obsolete) - check
More funding for science - check
Mad science... I don't actually have a problem with, so long as everything is informed and consensual... though I could see my attitude changing case by case
Yes, eeeeeexcellent...
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Creative Projects / Re: Agora, A better forum (Open Source Project): Now with Github
« on: April 03, 2015, 08:39:42 pm »
So alright, I've filed the articles of incorporation. Now I need to file a bunch more paperwork in order to get nonprofit status. I'll also need to make sure we've got a license applied to our software. I'm thinking one of these, not sure which yet. That sound good?
Edit: More specifically, the GPL looks pretty good.
Edit: More specifically, the GPL looks pretty good.
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General Discussion / Re: Bay12 2016 Election Megathread- It Is Terrifying
« on: April 03, 2015, 10:36:17 am »
And then you've got the modern republican party: "Things should be exactly as we imagine they were 50 years ago!" Where their imagination has no bearing on reality.
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General Discussion / Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« on: April 01, 2015, 10:46:43 pm »
Behold, Mortals! http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3012
