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Heaven forbid there be an actual community around Blood Bowl, with well thought out and stat'ed teams, with The Living Rulebook that is still occasionally updated, but is *still* supported as official by the GW Blood Bowl team, well before the game got licensed on computer (again). I mean, you'd have to go to some "actual" Blood Bowl site, that actually supports all that, if you want to play the *actual* game of Blood Bowl.

So, in that case. Where's my Chaos Pact? Or my f'ing stunty teams? Ok, they fumbbl around a bit, but "based on" is weak. Kislev is stronk...... lol.


Ok, there's way more to the full-pack/expansion than that, but damn they take their time on getting the base teams in. The "based on" thing is just dumb. Make a new team. Fuck it, it's your expansion. Fully supported by GW. It'll probably give a reason to make a LRB7, just so it will keep up with "actual Blood Bowl", as it's played today. Comparing russians to fat frogs is probably impeachable in other worlds anyway. I'm not even russian. Or american, southern or not.

As a sort-of related question, will Cogmind ever allow the sharing of save files in the community?

I understand that this is considered a "toxic" subject in roguelikes, essentially amounting to save-scumming, but it does allow for certain "scenarios" to be shared and played. How would *you* (and *can* you?) do it with this particular set-up in this situation? Can you beat it, and how? Rather than idle opinions on forums.

There'd have to be blocked doors in play. Only letting people play the current "saved scenario" and maybe the next random level after (walking out with no bits, no HP and no chance to survive the next level is not a success), blocking all achievements etc from save-scummed "scenarios", and perhaps many other things, but it would be a fun way of doing it. Even from a developer end of things.

Sort of like a set level seed, but with a setup included, in a balls-to-the-wall situation. Or for "advanced training" that people may never have thought of.


I kinda liked making a few of these for DoomRL, admittedly on the easy/fun/blow-everything-up side of things, but I think the concept has some potential in a level-based roguelike with some restrictions in place. Both from your end Kyzrati, as well as from a fun community-challenge end of things. Let people up-vote the actually fun/difficult ones, and it's not that much more coding than anything else save related would be anyway (and gives that whole Steam Workshop thingy people enjoy to Cogmind too. Custom scenarios kinda thing )

I guess it's the difference between Star Trek style stuff, EVE style stuff, Lovers in a Dangerous Spacetime/Guns of Icarus style stuff and Starwars style stuff.

In Star Trek, there's probably heaps of stuff to do on those consoles in front of them. Something like an order of "shields to full" might mean juggling the amount of power from reactors/capacitors, taking that power away from weapons and engines (making other's jobs harder), routing it through working power conduits that can and do fail all the time, and distributing the energy to where the captain "actually meant" when he said that (you probably don't have enough power to actually have FULL shielding everywhere anyway), and keep juggling all that into shields that might not be in perfect working order as weapons and engines and scanning and engineering are all doing their thing too. Teamwork and understanding of the resources available, as well as efficient ways of getting the blathering-idiot-in-charge's orders completed between you all, without wrecking the ship like you would if you *actually* did what he said to do. But no one wants to be the red shirt that cleans chicken soup dispenser nozzles.

In EVE, there's stockmarkets, investments, factions and stuff. And being a jerk over comms. All very valuable stuff to do, regardless of combat.

In LiaDS/GoI, there's only so much you can do at once. But you need to do everything. So your other crew members are absolutely vital for the working of your ship. They shield while you steer. They steer while you shoot. Teamwork is necessary and built into the ship design (and game concept).

In Starwars, there's boardgames and cardgames. It's recognized that the turret gunner will usually be so goddamned bored outside of combat that including other types of entertainment on the ship is actually necessary for your survival. Take Han and Chewie and the Millennium Falcon. They're all about playing sabaac, gambling on pointless stuff, and whatever that holo-game chess thing was. You could have an auto-turret, a droid navigator/repairer or a robot-fighter helper ship, but people are better at stuff like that (especially when it's all custom bodgy stuff they're working with). And it gives you someone to play cards against when you're bored too. Elite: Dangerous seems to take more after Starwars than it does other multicrew concepts. But there's no boardgames or cardgames included yet.


If people are genuinely better at stuff aboard a ship, so it feels worthwhile being there, it might work. Like 1.5x-3x as good as basic ship functioning. But right now, there's an auto-everything function for virtually all the things another crew member could do (kinda necessary because all ships are currently 1 man enterprises). Conducting station, system or sector wide high credit cardgame tournaments might be a necessity if extra crew are really just tagging along for lols (and would make for some fun lore on how people died/got rich/ended up with prices on their head, and would make pottering about the universe seem far more swag). It would also give you as the pilot of a single-person vessel all those options too. Sure, repair shields 3x faster by hitting stuff with a wrench. But you won't be steering while you do it.

It's actually completely in character with Elite's lore, old and new. Both bounties placed due to gambling debts and "theft", as well as people dying because they're afk or "doing technical stuff" instead of flying the ship. So that's what they need. Gambling. Because as we all know, even the most boring thing on earth is made better if you can gamble on it or gamble while doing it. It also gives reasons for going places. Tiny station with little traffic, no decent commodity prices or tech and no police presence to save you from the pirates? Perfect place to hold the next underground poker tournament.

Kinda sounds fun to be a crew member then. Sure, the captain is an ace pilot, trader and has an elite rating, but you've got half the system's credits in your pocket after the last tournament. That's why they're out for your blood. You're too damn good at what you do.

If you ever get bored of doing the inkeep side of things, you could always add a bit of combat.

Here's Brew House Bash, a nice little ork based table top game from White Dwarf a few years ago. Should provide some inspiration.

http://rpg.by/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=15120

Mainly because I saw the upper walkway, I saw the tables, and I immediately thought "super elbow drop" as the natural conclusion to these facilities being in a medieval bar.

While multicrew sounds wonderful and all, will ED really take good advantage of it? It's not really a Guns of Icarus type game, with constant battle and repairs and stuff. It sort of sounds like manning a turret will be all the fun of flying a ship....... without any of the fun of flying a ship. Just sitting there, staring off into space, maybe occasionally taking a potshot at rocks and/or figments of your imagination. You kinda just hope there's a battle to relieve the boredom, and the rest of the time it's just busy-work around the ship. It might be good as a secondary role to play (checking trading prices/missions/other stuff would be your primary "thing to do", kind of a logistics officer that's also pretty handy on a turret sometimes), but it seems like just having another player with their own ship would be more fun.

So, is there genuinely other stuff to do aboard a ship? Or would multicrew end up amounting to having a closed chat-room to ramble in when you're bored and occasionally better turrets? Wouldn't just having another light, cheap ship tagging along be better? While it might split profits between ships, it also lets you play stealth/unstealthed bait and kill tactics, along with all the other flexibility that even a crappy ship gives your group (compared to a potentially marginally better turret in combat). More cargo space, more equipment options and just as much idle banter available as an onboard crew member could give. Or is it just to keep a group together, because people tend to wander off? Are turrets really that important in big ships (compared to just having another ship flying with you)?

(I don't know that much about Elite: Dangerous, so I'm genuinely interested)

Would love to see the silver and copper hammer results and if they're a "superior material" against inorganics, or if that's just a no-go fight for that weapon type.

The wrestler idea above come to mind as well, mostly for the removal of goblin helmets. As a question, would dogs or trained wardogs remove helmets (considering their zombie-like combat potential against armour), or is it a has-hands thing? I'm worried that a shielded wrestler will mostly shield bash, while an unshielded one is just too vulnerable. Not that dogs aren't, but they're certainly more replaceable than dwarves (and unfortunately more raisable by necros due to the ease of kills).

So removing armour, a hands thing, intelligence thing, or what?

Could I have Talisman: Digital Edition and DLCs? I kinda like old boardgames.

I'll get my Steam account fixed later today if you've still got the copy to give. Cheers.