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All right, I'll do that, since I at least have time right this moment.

'Cuz Toaster is the scum IC. Maybe you asked him about it?

If your empathy explanation is really what happened, why didn't you say it when you unvoted him?
I know Toaster is the scum IC. I got the implication behind that. The thing I was confused about is, given that Toaster has never seen me actually do what ed boy was doing, how could he possibly know that I would do it if I knew slightly less than I do? If I realize it myself, I can and will come up with the logical conclusion without Toaster. If I don't realize it myself, Toaster can't bring me to the logical conclusion. There is zero reason to believe Toaster was involved.

I didn't mention the empathy thing when I unvoted ed boy because it wasn't a reason for it. I unvoted him because I had no idea where to go with my line of questioning. The empathy thing was just something I considered when judging his actions. Though it's not as useful now that it's revealed he wasn't vanilla...

You'll have to explain exactly how his questions are shitty, because otherwise you're giving him shit for terrible reasons. For example, this post:

6. Stupid questions and crappy attempts to defend previous examples of such.

Those questions are actually pretty good. They are good things to ask about. Why don't you think so?
First: Technically that's one question, singular, though since I missed that fact first I won't blame you for repeating my mistake.
Second: The question is, basically, "Why did you do this thing that you explained while you were doing it?" Why is that not a shitty question? If you wanted to claim his questions weren't shitty, that's probably the single worst one to point to -- why did you choose that one?

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Mafia / Re: Beginner's Mafia XXVI 7/7, 3/3 - Day 2 - Stains of blood
« on: August 25, 2011, 08:34:48 pm »
<.< I'm about to replace out for lack of time. Should I answer your questions anyway or cut off my in-game presence entirely right now?

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Much as I hate to request a replacement at the very beginning of a game, stuff has come up without warning and I won't be on the intertubes as much (if at all) for quite a while. Sorry.

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Other Games / Re: How did you last die?
« on: August 24, 2011, 01:58:04 pm »
Killed by some boss I don't remember in DQ9.

Rest of the party was fine, though.

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That's from a cave-in landing in magma. That's some pretty dangerous shit.

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Not gonna just sit on the vote, though.
You said this after withdrawing your vote for ed boy. It seems that everytime you don't get a response, you give up and simply move on to someone else.
I've gotten shit in previous games for sitting on a vote instead of doing anything useful. So I'm not doing that anymore. If I can't get anything out of someone and I don't want to lynch that person, my vote needs to be somewhere else.

Well, you seemed to be irritated by my previous analysis, so I offered you some more arbitrary reasons for choosing those two. How is that strawmanning?
That's how. You're giving a blatantly shitty alternative and treating it as an actual argument against my point.

I don't want arbitrary reasons. I don't actually think your reasons were bad. It just looked like you were trying to avoid betraying any kind of personal preference. It's overly cautious, and that's a scum trait.
When ed boy didn't respond, you didn't bother to press for actual reasons. Instead you withdrew your vote and started on backtobasesix. It seems that you don't actually want to go too deep and are just voting for pressure.
"Actual reasons"? I didn't think he was lying. I believe the reasons he gave were his actual reasons, I just didn't like them. Thinking something is scummy isn't the same as thinking something is false.

Zombie urist. You say that all I'm doing is complaining about basesix lurking. Reread, and then tell me...

where did you get this completely false idea? I mentioned the lurking only when others brought it up. The entirety of my focus on basesix at this time is from wanting a question answered. Lurking doesn't even enter into it!
Well then please tell me what else you have contributed in scumhunting. I don't really care if you didn't mention lurking, since that's not the point. I do care that you haven't done much more while waiting for your question to get answered. All you did was answer other people's questions.
Yeah, I admit, I haven't done a lot. Mea fucking culpa. I'm done with that now.

(For some reason, I thought the focus of your accusation was the "complaining about basesix" part, which is the part I was addressing.)

You know what, I changed my mind. I'm not most suspicious of basesix anymore.
This seems rather arbitrary. All the information was there before. Why didn't you look into it earlier?

Because, like an idiot, I was waiting patiently for basesix to show up. But as I've said, I'm done with that.


I dropped the ed boy thing because I didn't really know what I was doing with it. He was overly numbery, I told him why that was bad... That's all I had. To be frank, he's doing exactly what I would do if I didn't already know why it was wrong, so I can't really see it as that scummy.

And how did you come to that conclusion? Did Toaster tell you?
... Which conclusion? The "he's doing what I would do" conclusion? Well, I know what he's doing, and I know what I would do if I didn't already know why what he was doing was wrong, and they're the same thing. That seems too obvious, though; are you actually asking why I can't judge it as particularly scummy? Well, I'm town, and he's doing something I would do under slightly different circumstances.

Quite frankly, I'm wondering why you think Toaster could have told me that. It's a judgement of my own personality under circumstances he hasn't seen. He's not qualified to say what I would have done!

-snip-

See what I said to Orangebottle about using every post of a player as evidence.

How, precisely, are these scummy? There's no crime against being Captain Obvious. Similarly, while you say a lot of his questions are useless, he (and I) might disagree. What's the best piece of evidence you have against him?

zombie urist already pointed out your lack of commitment concerning your vote, so I'd like to see those issues answered as well.
I don't like Captain Obvious reasoning because it looks like scumhunting, but it doesn't require any actual scumhunting effort. Maybe that's not as big a deal as I think it is, but it's not completely ignorable.

His questions are useless (in my opinion) because they consisted of "same question someone else asked", "what is scumhunting", and "why did you do this". The latter wouldn't normally be bad, but the "this" in question was a post that contained the answer to the question. And the only reason I like his question of IronyOwl is because of IO's answer -- but he probably didn't expect that IO being an IC would change the dynamic that much.

I used all his posts as evidence because the thing I was trying to support was that he hadn't made any good posts. If I had left out a post, someone would have said (rightfully so!) that this implied that I thought the ignored post was good, and that my argument was therefore invalid.

My "lack of commitment" was the first thing I answered in this post. That's not anything against you, I just don't want to type it out again.


Speaking of "not waiting for my current focus" and "being an IC changes the game", Jim, if the Random Number Goddess had granted you the position of roleblocker, who would you block and why?

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Like, I'm not thinking of lynching basesix at this time, hence the extension. My vote on him is strictly pressure.

Where will you be if backtobasesix comes back?

Like, I'm not thinking of lynching basesix at this time, hence the extension. My vote on him is strictly pressure.
Then who are you thinking of lynching? All you're doing right now is complaining that backtobasesix is lurking without contributing in any other way. Its totally possible to pressure more than one person, such as with the FoS, billybobfred

All right, all right, I get the hint.

... basesix is still looking like the most suspicious one, but I can't do anything with someone who isn't here. bluhhhhhhhhh

Not gonna just sit on the vote, though. Zombie urist. You say that all I'm doing is complaining about basesix lurking. Reread, and then tell me...

where did you get this completely false idea? I mentioned the lurking only when others brought it up. The entirety of my focus on basesix at this time is from wanting a question answered. Lurking doesn't even enter into it!

Furthermore, you've made seven posts since game start, and I don't like any of them. Here, let me spell out why.

1. Captain Obvious and false statements.
2. Captain Obvious, a shitty defense of 1, and... well, I'll admit your question to IronyOwl wasn't bad.
3. Parroting the IC.
4. Captain Obvious and asking pointless questions.
5. Probably the fluffiest fluffpost that ever fluffed a fluff.
6. Stupid questions and crappy attempts to defend previous examples of such.
7. Captain Obvious, Captain Obvious... I'll admit that calling me out for focusing on the guy who isn't here wasn't bad in itself, but the IC had just done the very same thing -- without blatant falsehoods, I might add.

You know what, I changed my mind. I'm not most suspicious of basesix anymore.

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billybobfred, how do you feel about lynching lurkers?
Lurking is just another scumsign. If they've lurked hard enough to get to the top of the scumlist, they get lynched same as if they had gotten there some other way.
Billybobfred: Where do you draw the line with scummy lurkers? Would you so readily jump onto a bandwagon to lynch one?
If it's just lurking, I'm not going to be calling for torches and pitchforks all that quickly.

Like, I'm not thinking of lynching basesix at this time, hence the extension. My vote on him is strictly pressure.

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=/

Futility hasn't been updating the list at all, it seems.

Right, so after farmerbob is filiusenox.

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... Monday the 24th?

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billybobfred, how do you feel about lynching lurkers?
Lurking is just another scumsign. If they've lurked hard enough to get to the top of the scumlist, they get lynched same as if they had gotten there some other way.

What's EDWODP? I didn't see it in the list of abbreviations.
Edit By Way Of Double Post. Most people leave out the D, from what I've seen, but it means the same thing.

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o.o

... Wait, did you skip your turn? Would that mean that farmerbob is up?

</feeble attempt to resurrect the thread>

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So Urist is skipped, and Roctiv is skipped.

Which makes it noodlenumbers's turn.

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Extend.

As for my new focus, yes, I vaguely noticed that a bunch of people were on basesix for lurking, but that's not something I actually considered. I just don't get how someone could not notice that the game has started. So I asked. It's probably going to be a staggeringly mundane and believable explanation, but there won't be any responses to gauge unless I ask something.
The game has started a while back, so I am sure that if this were the case, he would have found out about it already. He could have forgotten that he was playing, even. The weekend was pretty sleepy, so we might hear from him tomorrow. Hopefully.

I think you're misunderstanding me.

Sorry guys, I didn't realize this had started already, I didn't expect it to start so soon.
This is the thing I am talking about. It confuses me and I am questioning it.

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Other Games / Re: Minecraft - It has blocks.
« on: August 20, 2011, 11:51:46 pm »
Are there certain bodies of water that fish spawn in exclusively or can you fish anywhere, from an underground lake to the sea to a little pond?

I built a pond in my world and fish show up just fine.

Which is really weird, since there were no fish in the buckets. But hey, acceptable breaks from reality. Who wants to go find fish?

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