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is that the guts of a randomly-generated skyscraper?

Guts of an apartment building, yeah. I made all the walls, floors, concrete elements and others invisible. Its only 7 storeys, though most of it is out of the screenshot.

Where do I start with getting into battletech proper. I mean as in the stuff besides the mechwarrior games. Like the books and the tabletop and such

If you want to play on PC, get the MegaMek first! You can also play it in multiplayer, rulesets and everything are 100% adjustable and moddable.

Also check out the great BT wiki, Sarna.net

I've never played the actual tabletop game, cant help much with it.

The 2-term limit is for life.

Although I really don't know what you mean.

Right. I was supposed to ask whether the terms are limited to consecutive(such as in Russia apparently) or absolute two.

John McCain then?

I disagree, fundamentally. I would consider myself, and everyone else in the west, obligated to help people when we are able. Ignoring the crisis, and letting millions of people suffer and die, would be an utterly vile decision.

Oh absolutely, as an individual, I do find myself obligated to help people. And I have, both personally and by donating, cash and clothing. But nations I dont think are obligated to help by just bringing people here. I dont think it solves anything, helps almost anyone nor is it effective. At worst we will see EU disintegrate and national economies collapse. There are 60-something million refugees around the globe and we're arguing over what to do with one million who managed to get to Europe without trying to solve the original issues or letting them help themselves.

Providing help, humanitarian, military and cash, to Iraq, Afghanistan, Mali, Libya and so forth I believe is preferable to just letting those places collapse and then dealing with whatever happens.

There's not an obligation to take in more than you can handle. And there're approaches that work better than others, in terms of the way you aid them, long-term. But dismissing human rights in the name of egoism, 'enlightened self-interest' (I notice most people who like that term only really use half of it), and moral relativism simply because your opponents use the term is not the solution. For one thing, it helps them, because looking like you don't give a shot about anyone but you and yours isn't great for convincing people, for some reason. Why should anyone else give a shit about your opinion od you can't even being yourself to care about oi that people dying and living in fear? If you're unable to dredge up any empathy?

There is no obligation to take any of them. In exactly zero European countries have the people been asked about their opinions when it comes the phenomenon and related issues and questions at hand. If in a democracy my opinion, a law-abiding tax-paying citizen's voice and opinion, doesnt count, why should anyone else's? EU is getting more and more integrated while the EU citizens do NOT want to get integrated and become a federation. And no its not just about rapes or medievalish muslim culture both of which I dislike. Nor about the fact that most of the people coming here are young men.

because looking like you don't give a shot about anyone but you and yours isn't great for convincing people

I do not need to convince people, I have an opinion and so do many others, and all those should count. Your thought seems to be that my opinion really doesnt even matter because its "selfish" somehow? Your perception of what is democracy differs from mine. At the moment we too, like the Brits and many others, have a government that has eaten its words several times over as have the political parties and individual politicians starting from the PM himself.

Maybe its you who should try reading again. I'm not against helping people who need protection. If you feel you arent getting through, can explain yourself about how immigration politics and gun control debates are both about public security versus individual freedoms.



PS. around here you're going to jail if you use more force than what was used on you ie. defending yourself is in practice illegal. One cant even fight back and defend oneself against "darkies" trying to rape with a knife or gas if they havent already used similar weapons on you. Rapes by foreigners have gone up 46 % from last year and all it took was 30k "refugees", a tiny, less than half-a-percent minority, is committing more than half of them all. I cant defend myself in any legal way and if I go out after dark and get raped/robbed/beaten its basically my own fault. Because I didnt vote right, oh, I did, but it doesnt count because now I'm a racist.

The times we live are getting a bit too interesting to my liking.


edit, I felt the need to provide some sources too. From the police department, statistics on foreign citizens in crime,

2014-2015
2015 January to June vs. 2016 January to June
The latter one in google translate

Rapes up by 6%, suspect foreign citizen up by 46%. Sexual harassment up by 150%, by foreigners 450%. Violent assaults went down by 2%, but numbers of assaults committed by foreigners went up by 38%.

All it took was 30k, mostly young men, refugees. Keeping them just fed and dry is about 1,5 million € every day.

Quote from: Covenant on August 09, 2016, 03:04:34 am

And if you have to worry about 'being a bad liberal' for some thoughtcrime you may have had, I'd say that's rather telling of what kind of ideology you're forging for yourself.

Mostly in the sense that it fit the narrative of giving in to pressures from the other side. I don't actually worry too much about that sort of thing; it's why I get into arguments with my parents a lot over this sorta stuff.

I did notice something else though, that border control and gun control seem to be very similar issues in that one side thinks it's a matter of public safety and the other side thinks it's fearmongering and an attempt to restrict civil liberties/civil rights.

So, you think taking over a million immigrants/social service shoppers/refugees, with majority of with opposite values compared to the average European and little to no hope of housing or feeding themselves or getting a job, into EU was a matter of improving public security? While leaving another 10+ millions, that are without a home in warzones and couldn't move to Europe, through the middle-East where they are and not bat an eyelid?

Interesting.


Yes, its cruel but I too do not think that it is our job to be the social service for half of the world. Its not EU's responsibility, and our economies wont survive trying. We can help them where they are by stopping the war and helping them help themselves, but just bringing everyone from over there to here because of "human rights" is madness. I also cannot become Swiss citizen even if I cross the border, of course I'd realize I'd be a leech.

And of course we should keep anyone who has managed to get this far and isnt from a safe area or willing to return on their own safe and fed.

If Europe wants to help people from Syria or Iraq by bringing them to Europe(and not helping them where they are) the it would IMHO be best to bring all kinds of people and families directly from camps in Syria, Turkey, Jordan, Iraq etc. And seal the Schengen borders as airtight as possible.

IMHO the people that need help the most are the ones that arent able to leave the conflict zones, and right after those come the ones that cant escape further than refugee camps. Though at this point I've been a racist whose opinion doesnt matter because I dont support the current immigration/refugee politics for years already.

Hundreds of rounds?

One can buy STANAG compatible 100+ magazines. Up to 150 at least. No special license needed. Typical practical rifle course requires 50+ shots so at least one magazine change with standard magazines, which means theres some advantage in using a large drum mag, but those larger ones are also so heavy(and not always very reliably feeding) so even the pros still use 30 rounds mags.

If you thought of belts... Well, the belt feds are all open bolt = categorically full auto capable = banned from everyone but collectors already.

I need to pick this out of the post because duh, of course, everybody would like that to be the case. But then you have to acknowledge that Sweden is the (or at least was at some point during the last year, don't know if the statistics are stills standing) the second largest contributor of ISIS volounteers per capita in Europe. Sweden is also one of the providers of the largest amounts of social services and rehabilitation programs. It didn't stop all of those people. This isn't a problem that can be fought in such ways.

I believe Finland is within the top 3 too. Jihadis are going to Jihad with free social services or without. Most of them apparently arrive as immigrants/asylum seekers and already radicalized, or that happens at early age within the muslim communities. Because they just dont get integrated very well nor quickly. Unfortunately.