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Quote from: thegoatgod_pan on March 29, 2015, 06:07:41 pm

It was ill-conceived then, and it should have come with editors from the writing staff that went" Oh, this one is a misogynistic rape fantasy", it is not going in. You know, like editors do.

I don't think anyone here is saying that it was a good idea. All I am saying is that its very easily ignored. Don't click it. Bam, you have solved the problem.

You know what else would solve the problem?  Obsidian reading their own shit before adding it to a game they are selling for money with their name on it and their reputation on the line.

The "just ignore it" argument is pretty silly. If an otherwise lovely book had random asides about the evil Jews, we wouldn't tell people to just skip over them, if an otherwise positive movie kept going on and on about how women are all liars, we wouldn't just tell people to fast forward, why does a game get a get out jail free card here?

If it is art, it is up for critical thinking, if not, it is not worth talking about.

Quote from: thegoatgod_pan on March 29, 2015, 06:01:12 pm

Quote from: forsaken1111 on March 29, 2015, 05:58:42 pm

Same here, I didn't even look at them after I glanced through the first one. They seem silly and utterly unimportant. Who the fuck cares?

I'm supposed to ignore content?  They are bad and the devs should feel bad. Letting the idiots of the internet decide what goes into a game after all the scum that surfaced this year is very misguided.

Ignore content if you don't like it, yes. Nobody is forcing you to read through them after all. You know now that they are badly written crap tossed in by the internet backers, so why would you waste time looking at them?

I am ignoring them, I am also wondering why are they there at all?  Games don't typically come with optional sections of vile and offensive bullshit you don't want to experience.

Link to the Obsidian forums: http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/73243-memorials-problem/
I have no words.

I'm with her, actually, I said earlier that I stopped reading the backer quotes because a disturbing portion of them were just rape/torture fantasies with a disturbing portion of those about various way of hurting women: just of the top of my head, "Broken branch" on the bridge to the main town with the passage about someone thrusting fingers into a wound in a woman's stomach and another called "the Vulture" in the first town inn who is torturing a family. This is exactly why we can't have nice things. A ton of the "fan"/"backer" stories are utterly fucked up, I am not surprised a ton more are offensive.

and yes, a "funny" poem about someone killing themselves because they slept with a transperson is utterly fucked up and offensive, if it was about someone killing themselves after sleeping with a black person it wouldn't even be a damn debate, it would be a boycott.

Someone should have dealt with this shit,  before release, this all reminds me of this comic http://gunshowcomic.com/471.  I don't want other people's rape fetishes, hateful bullshit, or weird misogynistic torture fantasies in my damn rpg, even they donate 20$ for the privilege of getting to add this shit.

I'd say they really need to offload the main combat effectiveness factors from attributes to feats (this game does have feats, right?). Skill should matter much more than just pure physical/mental power.

No feats, more of feat-likes that you choose one of when you level up: e.g. better rage or a 3/per encounter movement buff with immunity to disengage for barbarians. or for cyphers: boost to focus drain on hits or increase in damage.

I am playing through as a cipher and no regrets at all: it is sooo much better than wizard. Somehow here is how the two work respectively:

Cipher: I spam three abilities: one that paralyzes an enemy and stops enemies near from moving, one that hurts everything near a friend a little, and one that hurts one thing near a friend a lot.

None of these abilities are friendly fire, none of them require weird angling, two of them require a friend engaged in melee with the targets, which fortunately is 90% of the time in battle.

All my abilities seem to have long range, wherever I target, my character goes into a casting animation.

Wizard:  every damaging spell hurts my friends. Except magic missile, so I spam that. There is no way to tell (unless I am missing a cursor), where an AoE spell is going to hit, and since INT expands the area, no way to memorize it like in BG2 or 1 (frankly, I can't see why a cursor indicating where a spell is going to hit is so impossible to accomplish, Dark Sun: Shattered lands which BG1 ripped off in many ways already had such a cursor at it released in 1993!)
I found the cursor: expert mode, thanks etgfrog!


Now, you say, wizards are controllers not damagers! Well the best control spells I've seen (bedazzle and variants) also breeds weirdness, as in the confused enemies are not enemies while confused, breaking engagements and leaving you unable to attack.

Worse, none of the key spells seem to have good range, so when you want to confuse a group of enemies, you find your wizard running through the front ranks to cast it.

I like the grimoire mechanic, but that is really all. I really don't like not being able to repick useless cipher spells. Each level has one spell that I picked badly and find useless: charm isn't that great, lasts no time at all and rarely comes into play since your allies helpfully kill the target while you take a really long time to cast, or they kill its' friends, so the charm is meaningless. Second level I picked the spell that flanks everyone for synergy with a rogue for constant sneak attack.  However, now I have a full cast of official npcs, so of course, no rogue.

Also are those stories that the golden kickstarter backer characters standing around the world reveal to you, also written by the kicstarter backers?  Because they are A. kinda bad B. Kinda offensive, it seems like every other one is a weird torture fantasy with elves plunging fingers into the wounds of bleeding women during home invasions, assassins plunging daggers into people while they are being pleasured by courtesans in excessive detail and home invasions with threats of child torture. If these are backer written or backer inspired: this is why we can't have nice things!

I stopped reading them after like the fourth weird sex torture fantasy.

Great game, nevertheless

I know 11 hours isn't very long compared to the two and a half years I've been waiting for this, but it sure feels about the same right now.

It looks perfect, I can only hope the gameplay is as good.

Ah, but what sort of evil tease company declares a release date without specifying that they don't mean "at the stroke of Midnight that day"?

Who will have a care for all those nightowls who were going to stay up and play it?

Noon?  Honestly, who releases anything at noon?

Birthright. I am [and many others I guess] still waiting for a well polished, fixed remake. It had so much potential, even tho I've played it 5-6 years ago for the first time, and it was released in 1997. [Sovereignty is inspired by it, which is supposed to be released in months, so let's hope that the devs won't fail!]

Whaaaat?  Birthright is a great game, sure the dungeon crawler parts are terrible, but the army combat is really fun and the simulation is super complicated.

It is like if crusader kings and an odd but forgotten Dnd universe had a weird baby.

It seems webbers are less impressive now. I once saw a (wounded) webber FB that had killed two others get killed by a jabberer. My military has also taken on two webbers (a titan and an FB) and won both times in only a handful of steps.

To be fair, a Jabberer is one of the deadlier denizens of the underground. Their beak shears through bone.