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There is the save. I named the dwarf BUGGED. The library is already set up. The only thing you have to do to reproduce is to assign the dwarf to the library as a scholar.

Edit: Also, I had just started setting up the library for testing. That's how I noticed the issue. So there are no other scholars assigned in this save. Although I was halfway through assigning my designated scholars when the game crashed the first time. I didn't find any other bugged dwarves.

Edit2: I went ahead and submitted a bug report since I reproduced the crash in a fresh download of DF. http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=9488

Quote from: Melting Sky on January 13, 2016, 03:04:27 am

If I remember correctly its the number of semi/mega beasts that has the greatest effect on how DF defines an age, particularly the early ones. I think necromancers, vampires and wear beasts also are counted as are probably night trolls. The next age you would likely progress into would be the age of heroes where the last of the great powers and mythical beasts still roam the land. My guess is it's the forgotten beasts that are keeping you in the age of legends.

It actually goes Myth/Heros/Legends/Golden Age as I recall.

I remember back when vampires and werebeasts were first introduced worlds could enter the "second age of Myth" after going through the usual cycle, often ending on something like the tenth age of Myth/Heros/Legends. It's was/is also possible to have multiple golden ages I believe.

No it is myth->legends->heroes

Then there are a few others, the wiki has fairly detailed information.

Quote from: Lozzymandias on January 12, 2016, 02:12:32 pm

My mason had a tussle with the reanimated corpse of a gorlak. The military got there in time to rescue him but not, alas his hand. He got dragged away to the hospital, the bleeding stump sewn up and his wounds tended to. He may die of infection, he may live, time will tell. In the meantime, what do i do with his hand? I can dump it in magma, but if i do that will he be properly entombed if when he does die, or will i have to slab him as well? Alternatively i can stick it in an out of the way refuse pile and disinter it when the inevitable occurs?

You can't bury the hand until he's dead.

If you destroy the hand without destroying his body, there will be no problem burying him later. The only practical reason to keep the hand around is if you anticipate losing/being unable to bury his body when he does eventually die. As long as there's even one piece of his corpse in a coffin, a dwarf won't rise.

So does that mean there is a minor benefit to knocking some teeth out in a bar fight? Most of my military dwarfs like to fight and so 3/4 of them are missing teeth. So, potentially if one slips and drowns in a murky pool I dont have to engrave a slab nor fish his body out just so long as I have 1 eye tooth.

After reading more of the posts I want to clear a few things up (perhaps I should update the first post as well).

First, reading books does not give xp toward anything other than reading and student.

Second, it can take sometime to get a library running if you just assign peasants. This is why I am doing these experiments so that we can figure out what skills should either be bought on embark or trained on site to kick start a library.

Third, military dwarves assigned to the library mostly discuss naturalist topics like foraging and water cycle. I have not seen them branch off into other topics yet, so I'm not sure how effective they would be at starting a library.

Fourth, it hardly matters if dwarves form a master/apprentice bond if the master is not highly skilled. The bonus from teaching/student skill is not very high either.

If you want to kick start a library, based off results so far, the best way would be to add a furnace operator, a mechanic, a record keeper, an appraiser, a pump operator, a military dwarf, and whatever medical/scholar migrants you have to their own individual libraries for a few years, then add them all together once they have branched out into all available topics and achieved a modicum of skill.

Conversely you can add them to a library all at once but likely the military dwarf would take the others on as apprentices which would not necessarily be the best since the military dwarf will teach primarily naturalist topics.

Edit: I should add that all the skills I listed for a starter library post embark are pretty easy to train (excepting of course medical/scholar skills which you would of course need to get from migrants unless you are breaking dwarves legs over and over).

I think with goblins it's due to their small size, at least in part.  I don't know how their disease resistance compares to other races.  Maybe someone can do a comparison.

Goblins are about the size of an elf aren't they? and elves don't seem to die from alcohol

Ok so I found some interesting things but because of the range of skills involved it is a little difficult to analyze, especially since we are still not sure of the full range of skills used.

First, discipline and observer appear to be scholarly skills. I placed all my military dwarves into scholar occupations and those two skills grew through discussions about the water cycle and related topics. The title given to these dwarves was "naturalist". This would imply that water cycle type topics should go in the natural science category on the wiki which I don't think it is at the moment.

Now discipline can grow through seeing dead bodies so that could contaminate the sample, but there were no thieves or ambushes discovered during this time period so I think the observer skill is safe.

Astronomy appears to be related to math since my astronomers were discussing math topic often.

Furnace operating appears to be an academic skill related to chemistry. After 3 years of study my chemist went from lvl 5 to 6 in chemistry and nothing to lvl 1 in furnace operating despite not touching a furnace.

Will continue post in a moment, Im at the barber.

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I have had scholar dwarves write a poetry book. I don't know what skill was used to write it though. I assumed critical thinking but it could very well have been poetry. I just recently started being more meticulous in tracking skill growth.

Wordsmith is definately used in poetry, however it is also used in scholarly writing.

Writing is prose and wordsmith is responsible for the tone.

When a dwarf writes a book they normally gain 12 in writing, 6 in wordsmith, and 10 in w/e subject. Occasionally they do not gain wordsmith. I am not sure what causes this but when this happens I have observed that the tone is described as "technical". There might be other descriptors though.