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Quote from: Vehudur on October 07, 2010, 01:33:34 am

I had a cavern chamber 15 z-levels tall once.

This is 39 from the ceiling of the tallest pocket to the first mud platform (which is in fact straight below the tallest ceiling. Down 19 more you reach the shores of the lake (which is only 1 z level deep, and filled with trees). That's 59 z levels from ceiling to lakebed.

That's a bit unusual.

Quote from: Vehudur on October 07, 2010, 01:18:58 am

Quote from: JAFANZ on October 07, 2010, 01:15:23 am

Quote from: Vehudur on October 07, 2010, 01:10:07 am

I doubt you'll end up with the same map because I used pre-genned terrain, but...

Seeds:

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[SEED:593975651]
[HISTORY_SEED:1247353185]
[NAME_SEED:1567681258]
[CREATURE_SEED:1659002156]
[DIM:257:257]

And also, I changed these, but I'm not sure what impact they'll have on reproducing it.

[LEVELS_ABOVE_GROUND:20]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_1:20]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_2:10]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_3:10]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_4:10]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_5:10]
[LEVELS_AT_BOTTOM:10]

Let me know how it works for you.  This delicious region was on the far right side of the map, just under half way up, in a little valley tucked in the mountain range.   If you don't have this, it probably didn't gen the same.

If you use the "Export Local Image" function on the Options(escape) menu, one of the files created will be the world gen parameters as used by DF to generate the world, including anything from PerfectWorld or the World Painter (I assume one of these is what you mean by "Pre-genned"), in which case the only cause of disrepancies in the world generated would be if you've modded your raws for things like the Entity_default.txt (strangely, changing which portions of the dictionary are available to your civ for names & such affects geography).

Wait, so you want the entire region gen file?

I have not modified the Entity_default.txt, but I do have custom rock layers, which probably has the same effect...

Custom Rocks probably does change it, but I haven't tried it, so can't say for certain (I know removing Aquifers has no effect though).

Using "Export Local Image" exports a picture of each the selected levels (I recommend only doing 1), the World History, the World Sites, & the World Gen Parameters used for the world in question.

Not the entire World gen file.

I know.  It's too large to post here, so I need to find somewhere to upload it, though I have no idea.

What you will be getting:

There is the majority of the land mass in the west, with islands in the south east and a strip of land running up the eastern edge, there is also a smaller (partly connected to the rest) landmass in the north and a large mountainous region in the north east.  The north west is supposed to be a "rift zone", where it's fairly flat with high volcanism, otherwise the majority of the volcanism follows the mountains.

There is a strip of ocean on the west, that is calm.  The central ocean is terrifying.  The majority of the savagery is in the south, but there are isolated pockets all over the map.

Teach me to open my mouth.  I always forget about those damn thin casings they have to use. 

I seem to remember reading about a team a number of years ago that were close to the moho.  They would have made it had their bit not veered 1000ft off course.  I wonder now if they ever made another go.

edit: found em, http://www.iodp.org/

...

When they get it, I'm totally paying whatever I need to pay to have a chunk of (solidified!) moho to use as a paperweight.

Quote from: Vehudur on October 07, 2010, 01:32:50 am

Quote from: Shade-o on October 06, 2010, 10:37:57 pm

'Mohorovičić discontinuity' is the coolest thing. I learned about it from Total Annihilation, which leads me to believe that anything to do with tapping the mantle is awesome.

Yes, moho is badass.

Also, things start to get really hot at that point.  To be honest, you'd need something like Adamantine to drill into the mantle, because, well, the pressure and temperature is so high anything we currently have would be destroyed in a few minutes at best.

It's not the temperature; the mantle is between 500-900 °C.  Steel melts at about 1370 °C depending on the alloy.  It's the pressure that kills you down there.

Speaking of, it sounds like a lot of you seem to be under the impression that the mantle is all molten magma.  Not so.  While the temperature is high enough to melt most of the mantle-rock at sea level, the pressure raises the melting point of the rocks pretty far above that.  The mantle is almost entirely solid.

It's not a true solid - it's more like a thick paste of sorts.  It won't deform on its own, much, but under pressure it can.  It's not a true liquid until you reach the outer core - and then the inner core is solid (from what we know) because of the sheer pressure.

Sure, steel melts at 1370, but it starts to get soft, deform and weaken long before that, in fact, most drill bits can't drill hotter than 300 or 350.  The ones that can can't handle the pressure.

I generally go with 4 miners anyway, but the trench is actually a really good idea, I'll try that for round #2.

I usually go with 5, actually, and turn the skill off for 3 of them (three that only start with one point in it) once I've got enough dug out - usually by summer.  Also, all my full-time miners are masons too, which is a doubble edged sword:  It's hard to keep them just mining at times, but it means if you screw up and dig out something you shouldn't you can seal it off real quick without breaking a sweat.

I had a cavern chamber 15 z-levels tall once.