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I don't mind conflict-dissolution in terms of "all people."  I mind white-knighting in the form of "let's white-knight for whatever cute and fluffy individual we find around here and fuck the rest of 'em."  The "I'll defend anything, no matter how abhorrent" can kind of annoy me sometimes, but it's not something I'd try to stop.

Trying to figure out where I fall in this.  It's a little sticky.  I am an equal-opportunity white-knighter (the terminology is getting fun here...), but above all I'm very conscious of fairness.  I gravitate to underdogs and strive for balance.  Sometimes this puts me in situations where I defend things I think are wrong. 

For instance, I spent a long time sticking up for a guy who was a hardcore racist on one forum.  He had completely deplorable viewpoints.  But... he was actually really respectful in the way he discussed them.  He discussed criticism of his ideas in a pretty level-headed manner.  He never engaged in personal attacks.  Most people on the forum just treated him like dirt instead of making the slightest effort to communicate honestly.  So I stuck up for him, despite disagreeing with everything he stood for.

Yeah, I'm solidly in the center of INTP/INTJ.  I guess that amounts to "find the truth at all costs, figure out the system, and if the system you care about doesn't work then break the system and build a new one."

I'm actually borderline INTP.  My F lean is very small, and both sides describe me equally well.  I'm hardcore INP, though.  I explore all perspectives of every situation and then go back and forth explaining them to each other so they can learn to co-exist.

My manager is INTJ.  I'm the only person here who doesn't get pissed off at him regularly, and frequently explain to all my co-workers how he's easy to get along with if you just ___.

You know what makes me sad?

The fact I'm not sure if Merchant of Menace is just a persona or not. It'd be hilariously twisted if it was, but I'd have some serious respect for the person that managed it.

Picked flaws in the story already from what I could piece together. Namely in the realm of housing and pregnant teenagers (had a friend go through this, learnt a lot about the system itself :p) but also just general common sense.

The "Sadness Mary Sue" aspect of the persona is wonderful, through. Perfectly crafted.

10/10.

And who cares if it is?

Non-female here who doesn't understand what the fascination is.

I'm sure there are other ways to have completed the quest, but what was notable to me was that I didn't make use of any weapons or skills or anything to complete it the way I did. 

And yes, it was a rare gem of a moment, and I ultimately agree with you Ioric.  Unfortunately, that's just the state of PC games right now.  A genuine role-playing experience is really really difficult to accomplish, and just having a couple moments such as that one is enough to make a game notable in that respect.

It's possible to make rpgs more about actual role-playing, but the amount of effort required increases exponentially to the point that it's not wise from a business standpoint.  This can be alleviated somewhat if game development is approached from a procedural-generate-EVERYTHING philosophy, much like what Dwarf Fortress is doing, but even this is much more work than your typical AAA title.  Especially if you consider how graphic commercial games are expected to be.  The more possibilities in the game, the more production labor must go into graphically and audibly representing everything that can possibly happen.

This just isn't going to change in commercial titles until either technology or business models improve drastically.

I actually didn't like Oblivion all that much, to be honest.  I felt its controls were near-unplayably clumsy, and its character building mechanics encouraged you to do really ridiculous things (like jumping constantly everywhere you go to train jumping skill  ).  I didn't come close to finishing it, and actually never even bought it.  I borrowed it from someone.

I'm interested in trying some mods for it, though, now that it's had some time to age.

I know, but even if it's 1 step after the start, usually SOMEONE has made friends with SOMEONE.  Which leads to spiral.  A very, very very small one.

See Baldedgilds.  I embarked next to two ogres.  It looked like they were going to get beaten down without any loss to my 7 founders, when suddenly one the ogres burst forth from unconsciousness and ripped the guts out of one of my dwarves with his teeth.  That ogre bled to death immediately afterwards.  That attack was its final ounce of strength.

That dwarf had one friend (the infamous Pillarmarket), who went berserk and killed two more dwarves.  The best part was I had embarked with three lvl 2 miners, intending to dig out basic living spaces, farms, etc really fast... and all three miners died before a single tile of earth had been struck.

Pillarmarket was ecstatic for a full year following her slaughter, and voted mayor only a week later.  She's now one of only two surviving founders, and married to the other one.

Murdering bitch.

Rather emotional debate ^^.

Hm, probably I shouldn't start this on Christmas...you know the peaceful and all are loved season 

I'm at work, and appreciate having a topic to distract myself with every once in a while.

If you don't believe it is that bad, go watch a Disney show aimed at teens; count the number of times they overlay an 'audience laughing' sound effect over it and compare it to how many times you actually found something funny and not merely pants-on-head-retarded. It's so ridiculously cynical I find it rather disturbing...

Have two kids and a 16 yr old sister.  Have had plenty of Disney exposure over the last few years.  It's not all that bad... but most of it is.

Best place I could find to share this.  Made it a couple years ago.  The cacodemon itself I made over the course of a couple months.  Christmas of 2008, I threw the hat on in about 5 minutes just for fun.